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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    >Since 2006, over 6700 companies have either gone out of
    >business or moved out of wisconsin.
    >
    >And today in the state capital they are debating the
    >following;
    >
    >1. do away with the electoral college in Wisc
    >2. how to make private business pay for personal time off
    >3. increasing taxes on business
    >
    >You can't make this stuff up. Instead of actually helping this
    >state they are looking for way to make it worse. This is your
    >democrat led state law makers. This is why i am sick to my
    >stomach and why i responded the way i did. I meant no
    >disrespect to the original poster.

    Hunter,

    You can't forget about the macroeconomic climate. First, this whole country has been in a recession based on bad fiscal management under Bush and frankly continued by Obama. Both ran up the deficit and made short term financial decisions that hurt. Combine that with the fact that labor rates are so much lower in other countries that they can import goods into the US cheaply and those blue collar jobs are going to go away. The country will be filled with white collar jobs or those working in distribution or personal services. The states can only do so much.

    This is not a Doyle issue as much as it both Republicans and Democrats choosing to spend this country into oblivion.

    Shane

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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    >>Since 2006, over 6700 companies have either gone out of
    >>business or moved out of wisconsin.
    >>
    >>And today in the state capital they are debating the
    >>following;
    >>
    >>1. do away with the electoral college in Wisc
    >>2. how to make private business pay for personal time off
    >
    >>3. increasing taxes on business
    >>
    >>You can't make this stuff up. Instead of actually helping
    >this
    >>state they are looking for way to make it worse. This is
    >your
    >>democrat led state law makers. This is why i am sick to
    >my
    >>stomach and why i responded the way i did. I meant no
    >>disrespect to the original poster.
    >
    >Hunter,
    >
    >You can't forget about the macroeconomic climate. First, this
    >whole country has been in a recession based on bad fiscal
    >management under Bush and frankly continued by Obama. Both
    >ran up the deficit and made short term financial decisions
    >that hurt. Combine that with the fact that labor rates are so
    >much lower in other countries that they can import goods into
    >the US cheaply and those blue collar jobs are going to go
    >away. The country will be filled with white collar jobs or
    >those working in distribution or personal services. The
    >states can only do so much.
    >
    >This is not a Doyle issue as much as it both Republicans and
    >Democrats choosing to spend this country into oblivion.
    >
    >Shane


    He's not talking about issues like that. He's talking about businesses leaving the state NOT businesses that are closing. There's simply no ifs ands or buts about it, Jim Doyle is NOT friendly to Wisconsin businesses.


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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    in most manufacturing operations manufacturing direct labor equates to about 6-7% COGS ...

    so, if labor is "free", then you are 6% cheaper.

    ... labor aint the problem shane-o

    consider the cost of operating capital, the cost of capital equipment, the cost of health-care, the cost of transportation, the cost of raw-materials, the cost of doing business (tax structure), the environmental and regulatory costs to operating manufacturing businesses. now you might start to come up with where the gap is.

    it's not a matter of if the rest of the world is ahead, they're so far beyond the docks that the u.s. manufacturer's don't even know where they went. manufacturing is more advanced in other parts of the world because those places want businesses and jobs.

    i continually scratch my head when the target is continually missed on the labor cost piece.

    i guess we could all just blame it on bush and yell go-bucky though

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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    >consider the cost of operating capital, the cost of capital
    >equipment, the cost of health-care, the cost of
    >transportation, the cost of raw-materials, the cost of doing
    >business (tax structure), the environmental and regulatory
    >costs to operating manufacturing businesses. now you might
    >start to come up with where the gap is.
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    >
    Sled,

    Partially agree. A lot of that comes out in the deficit spending of the current and last administrations. Deficit spending means the government is competing with business in the capital market for funds which drives up interest rates. Higher interest rates means greater cost of capital - a lot of those things you mentioned above are impacted by that.

    Shane

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    >He's not talking about issues like that. He's talking about
    >businesses leaving the state NOT businesses that are closing.
    >There's simply no ifs ands or buts about it, Jim Doyle is NOT
    >friendly to Wisconsin businesses.
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    >
    Repete,

    I am going to bite on that one. I want you to be very specific about this but what actions has Doyle done that are anti-business and what business left specifically for those actions.

    Shane

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    >Partially agree. A lot of that comes out in the deficit
    >spending of the current and last administrations. Deficit
    >spending means the government is competing with business in
    >the capital market for funds which drives up interest rates.
    >Higher interest rates means greater cost of capital - a lot of
    >those things you mentioned above are impacted by that.
    >
    >Shane

    ...but the entire country is impacted by that...? You're missing the point. Doyle CONSISTANTLY governs anti-buisness and it costs Wisconsin jobs. It's as easy as that.

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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    Repete,

    Read my above reply. Be very specific because a general answer won't work. Name me an exact Doyle anti-business policy that drove an specific business out of the state. No generalities.

    Here's a fictional example: Jim Doyle named the musky an invasive species and ordered the DNR to use rotenone to exterminate them. Based on that, Musky Hunter packed up and moved to Minnesota since no musky fishermen were left in Wisconsin.

    Specific action, specific result.

    Shane

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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    >Repete,
    >
    >Read my above reply. Be very specific because a general
    >answer won't work. Name me an exact Doyle anti-business
    >policy that drove an specific business out of the state. No
    >generalities.
    >
    >Here's a fictional example: Jim Doyle named the musky an
    >invasive species and ordered the DNR to use rotenone to
    >exterminate them. Based on that, Musky Hunter packed up and
    >moved to Minnesota since no musky fishermen were left in
    >Wisconsin.
    >
    >Specific action, specific result.
    >
    >Shane
    >
    i'm gonna guess that you don't run a manufacturing business ...

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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    Sorry. Nope. But that doesn't mean I can't ask a question.

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    RE: New Mfg. Plant, Hundreds Of Jobs Coming To Milwaukee

    And on top of that chew on this for a while:It is now mathamaticly impossible to pay off the National Debt. We're in deep Doo-Doo.
    T.

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