The 16 is a couple seasons old and was rebuilt/serviced by Shimano last year...it runs like new. Some boat rash and the handle paddles were flattened a bit to improve grip. $210 shipped

The 20 was new mid season last year and has had very little use. almost new with a few scuffs and spooled with good line. SOLD

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