PDA

View Full Version : What do you do, or plan to do, to prevent Global Warming?



MuskyHopeful
08-07-2009, 07:57 PM
Next year I'm joining a golf club where a cart is not required, and plan to walk a fair number of rounds. However, it is a little farther from my house than my current club, but I hope the net effect is less CO2 production.

I'm cutting down on my intake of beans, onions, some dairy products, and certain ethnic foods, all which for me can lead to the production and emission of methane, a greenhouse gas much more efficient at trapping heat than CO2.

I also hope to quit smoking.

I don't own a boat, so when I fish, any CO2 released is the fault of whomever takes me.

Kevin

I guess we needed the rain, but it ruined my day.

Pete_k
08-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Figure a way to heat my house with winternet hot air

muskiemyke
08-07-2009, 11:19 PM
Drink lots of cold beer. Won't prevent it, but it will make it much more enjoyable.

T Bone
08-07-2009, 11:31 PM
Help educate all the brain washed morons who subscribe to this religion. Once that is accomplished the problem won't be so bad.

Hunts
08-08-2009, 06:34 AM
I'm doing my part as always by drinking my beer warm. Save electricity by not having to cool something that my body has to warm right back up again before releasing the warm beer out in an hour. What a waste and redundant process. By the way, I brought home the '87 K5 blazer to trade as cash for clunkers for the kid. Anything I get will be better than the 12 mpg the rust bucket gets now.

jonnysled
08-08-2009, 06:45 AM
bypassed the emissions crud on my diesel truck and will drive it to it's grave instead of buying 4 vehicles during the same time-frame. there are two ways to approach the whole mileage game.

if i can drive a vehicle (diesel) 500 - 700,000 miles, am i being more or less responsible than the guy who has 3 or 4 different hybrids during the same timefram?

tuffdaddy
08-08-2009, 07:47 AM
My plan is to talk less, and then try to get some legislation passed that ensures that our current politicians don't talk as much either. The way I see it, we spew more CO2 out when yapping incessantly than any of our current vehicles spew out. So if we can start the shut up and fish trend, we should be able to reverse this terrible global warming, oops, I mean climate change trend that is currently inhibiting our cool air from becoming prevalent.

And Kevin, I've fished with you several times, and I think that with as much as you talk, you put out just as much CO2 than my 4 stroke. :P

Jack Pine
08-08-2009, 07:56 AM
"The karma of geophysics is beginning to overwhelm the dogma of global warming religions" Bob Hoye

T.

KSauers
08-08-2009, 08:49 AM
I am taking down all your names and e-mailing them to Obama to be put on the agitators list. YOU WILL BE the first to be rounded up and marked for assimilation. We can not have anybody who voices any opinion contrary to the Obama vision. Those who do will have the full might of the Obama government rain down upon them. Anybody who listens to that anti-American Rush Limbaugh will be at the top of the list.

ToddM
08-08-2009, 09:06 AM
No cabbage.

www.frvmuskie.com
http://www.jomusky.com/
http://www.zaltnad.com/
http://www.hoosierhandmademuskybaits.com/
www.H2otackle.com

Which end is the sucker on?

muskiemyke
08-08-2009, 09:09 AM
>I'm doing my part as always by drinking my beer warm. Save
>electricity by not having to cool something that my body has
>to warm right back up again before releasing the warm beer
>out in an hour. What a waste and redundant process. By the
>way, I brought home the '87 K5 blazer to trade as cash for
>clunkers for the kid. Anything I get will be better than the
>12 mpg the rust bucket gets now.


But Hunts, your idea messes with my weight control program. If you drink your beer cold enough, your body has to burn mucho calories to warm it up. I figure it's a wash. Makes my beer the equivalent of Coke Zero, caloriewise.
That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

T Bone
08-08-2009, 10:57 AM
KSauers, LMAO! Good idea! Put me on the top of that list. You are absolutely right we can not have people talking down this socialist agenda. We must move forward and anyone standing in the way must be taken out. Don't forget all those who also listen to -
1. Sean Hannity
2. Mark Levin
3. Andrew Wilkow (my personal favorite)
4. Mike Chruch
5. Or anyone who watches or listens to Fox News

SHAME ON ALL OF US!!!!!!!

GruntLures
08-08-2009, 01:37 PM
Stop flooring my truck all the way to work and will only do it on the way home now. Works out too, less time at work and no sacrifice for actual home time. Going to shoot 5 deer this year too. They exhale way too much...

hunter991
08-10-2009, 09:52 AM
i called Al Gore and offered him $200,000 for his 11,000 sq ft home and his private jet. I figured i would use it about half as much as he would thus saving the planet from further emissions. Hey, i am just trying to do my part. He hasn't call back yet.

REPETESPINNERMAN
08-10-2009, 10:13 AM
>i called Al Gore and offered him $200,000 for his 11,000 sq
>ft home and his private jet. I figured i would use it about
>half as much as he would thus saving the planet from further
>emissions. Hey, i am just trying to do my part. He hasn't
>call back yet.

c'mon...al can have any type of car he wants or own a private jet. it's only those evil auto execs that we need to condemn for that!
it's literally amazing how big of a hypocrite gore is and thanks to the media in this country, he gets away with it!

-------------------
I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

junkman
08-10-2009, 10:29 AM
I plan to pass along the phone number for my first wife (and her mom.) If you attempt to speak to them, you will get a blast of coldness that will freeze an Eskimo's behind. She has a look that would turn the Amazon into a glacial wasteland. This will be my gift to the environment.

chuckski
08-10-2009, 02:44 PM
Win the power ball and be able to aford to live in the woods and live off the land.(if not plant a tree)

Fishforsale
08-10-2009, 03:08 PM
Nothing. It's not really preventable. No proof exists that says we are responsible for the rising temps through 1998. Even if I wanted to heat the planet, I couldn't.

So, I'm just gonna keep on keeping on, not feeling the least bit guilty while enjoying the pleasures of 21st century living in the good old US of A.

Hotlanta
08-10-2009, 03:22 PM
I pledge not mow the lawn or prune the scrubs so they can absorb more CO2. Isn't it great that "Global Warming" will give me more fishing time.

bcrecka
08-11-2009, 11:53 AM
Just had the coldest July in since they kept records....bring on the Global Warming. Last two winters and springs have been brutal. Sorry, it (GW)just isn't happening and is the biggest scam ever. Human activity covers less than 6% of the surface of the earth and we are impacting the full climate of the globe??!!! ABSOLUTELY INSANE!! You hear nothing but endless handwringing from alarmist and the "crisis" driven media. Quit lapping up everything you hear out there and do your own homework. Why do you never hear about this stuff....

MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data:
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html

Did you get that??!! MIT scientists!!.....but apparently they must be wrong and Al Gore is smarter than these guys. That was an article from last October

ShaneW
08-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Actually that TGDaily.com link posted above DOES NOT claim the MIT scientists doubt global warming. It challenges the assumption that man is the PRIMARY source of global warming and not global warming. That's the kind of twisting of the facts that has made the whole debate a challenge.

Here's what I do - I recycle what I can, I drive my more fuel efficient vehicle when I can, and I teach my son to be a steward of the earth (not litter, respect the environment, turn off the lights when he leaves a room, etc.). I figure that way of the climate change crowd is correct I am helping out and if they are wrong at least I will be doing my part to make the planet cleaner.

Shane

***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

BTPF
08-11-2009, 12:36 PM
Are you guys serious? Look at the lakes and rivers. They are all green. Why? From too much pesticides, fertilizers, etc... going into the rivers and lakes and the result is green, pea soup, blue green algae. Check out the Madison chain. GROSS! Check out the Red Cedar river south of Chetek it's lime green. Then look at it above Chetek. It's a beautiful amber beer color. What do you think happens to the atmosphere with over 6 billion people now on earth now driving cars and the industrial age only coming in the last 100 years. All the factories polluting and China running on dirty coal? All that goes into the atmosphere.

Do you really think Mother Nature likes that? Do you think the wind just blows it around and dissolves it? NOT!

It chews up the ozone resulting in global warming. Just because it was cold last winter doesn't mean the climate is not changing. It's changing and we are helping it. We are not the only cause but one of them. If we could help slow down an ice age why wouldn't we just
because some people don't believe in it and think they need to have a 500 hp truck that chews up gasoline because it makes them feel manly?

But I'm not worried. God will come save us just like a nice little fairy tale.

Global warming is real. And I don't believe in magic or the toothfairy like most people.

BTPF
08-11-2009, 12:46 PM
>Just had the coldest July in since they kept
>records....bring on the Global Warming. Last two winters
>and springs were brutal. Sorry, it just isn't happening and
>is the biggest scam ever. Human activity covers less than
>6% of the surface of the earth and we are impacting the full
>climate of the globe??!!! ABSOLUTELY INSANE!! You hear
>nothing but endless handwringing from alarmist and the
>"crisis" driven media. Quit lapping up everything you hear
>out there and do your own homework. Why do you never hear
>about this stuff....
>
>MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts
>scientific data:
>http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html
>
>Did you get that MIT scientists!!! I guess Al Gore is
>smarter than these guys. That was an article from last
>October

bcrecka
08-11-2009, 01:31 PM
Wrong again....show the evidence and quit spouting stuff with no backup. Might sound good in your mind but baseless. There was warming through the 1990s but it has been cooling ever since. The true wackos are those spouting the same crap while ignoring what is actually happening. I'm citing geophysicists, PhDs, astronautical engineers, etc. etc., and you are citing, um, you.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/global_warming_ice_age/2008/04/24/90591.html

Tons of this to be found if you care to look and that article doesn't account for the major cooling since last year. Here are a ton of other "wackos" by your definition. Again, this out to scare you that you don't even hear about this stuff but you'll certainly hear about Al Gore, Sheryl Crow (another brilliant climatologist) and three other people crying in front of Congress. Here are a ton of other "wackos" by your definition.....
_______________
More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Admin, Thursday 11 December 2008 - 18:05:07



Over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernemntal Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report report -- updated from 2007

ShaneW
08-11-2009, 01:55 PM
Actually you took an article about MIT scientists and inferred it said something that it didn't. And quoting newsmax.com as a legitimate news source is about the same as quoting the Daily Kos.

Shane



***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

bcrecka
08-11-2009, 02:02 PM
If so, not intended - my apologies. MIT link mainly illustrates that science is very conflicted, still figuring it out, and doesn't have a handle on it to know with much certainty. Definitely challenges/questions the impact man is having on the whole thing.....something that is considered not arguable by the so-called "consensus".

REPETESPINNERMAN
08-11-2009, 02:09 PM
Like I said...I DID read a ton on this over the past few years which is why I think it's comical how some talk about how evil us humans are regarding global warming. There's currently very few well known and respected climatologist's that are even close to algore's extreme beliefs on this. Anyone doing an honest research effort on this will see that. ...there are more and more scientists changing their opinions on this every day and moving away from the algores of the world.

-------------------
I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

ShaneW
08-11-2009, 02:35 PM
>If so, not intended - my apologies. MIT link mainly
>illustrates that science is very conflicted, still figuring
>it out, and doesn't have a handle on it to know with much
>certainty. Definitely challenges/questions the impact man
>is having on the whole thing.....something that is
>considered not arguable by the so-called "consensus".

That is the truest statement out there - there is no consensus on this at all and that what makes it a difficult argument. Unfortunately too much of this then gets buried in political dogma. For me I err on the side of leaving a cleaner environment for my kids. That way I "win" either way.

Now if the scientists who say climate change is manmade are right and we ignore them we all lose.

Shane


***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

REPETESPINNERMAN
08-11-2009, 02:45 PM
>>If so, not intended - my apologies. MIT link mainly
>>illustrates that science is very conflicted, still figuring
>>it out, and doesn't have a handle on it to know with much
>>certainty. Definitely challenges/questions the impact man
>>is having on the whole thing.....something that is
>>considered not arguable by the so-called "consensus".
>
>That is the truest statement out there - there is no
>consensus on this at all and that what makes it a difficult
>argument. Unfortunately too much of this then gets buried
>in political dogma. For me I err on the side of leaving a
>cleaner environment for my kids. That way I "win" either
>way.
>
>Now if the scientists who say climate change is manmade are
>right and we ignore them we all lose.
>
>Shane
>
>
>***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

It's got little to do with "ignoring" them... and everyone I know teaches their kids right from wrong regarding the environment yet few I know think like algore on global warming. I'm pretty much an over the top nutcase when it comes to respecting nature and I preach it to my kids...but that's got nothing to do with not believing in fairy tales told by algore. The main thing most of us argue is the chicken little BS from the algoristas. YES...We'LL SAY IT FOR THE ONE ZILLIONITH TIME...IT'S GOOD TO NOT POLLUTE AND RESPECT THE PLANET!!!!! Recycle..YES..It's all good!

-------------------
I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

Jack Pine
08-11-2009, 08:16 PM
A little off topic but!
What's wrong with this picture.
Russia can and will drill for gas and oil 45 miles off the coast of Florida and we can't and won't.
T.

KSauers
08-11-2009, 09:12 PM
It's simple. We are the greatest country on the planet and the biggest consumers. They would rather complain about dependence on foreign oil than get our own. Liberals are intent on destroying our country to make us all suffer because we are the greatest country and to them we must pay for that because of some sort of guilt trip. They won't be happy until they've turned us into a 3rd world nation. They use those same ideals in dealing with the successful and the not successful. The successful don't deserve what they have busted their butts for and it must be redistributed to the non successful.

gtp888
08-12-2009, 05:26 AM
>It's simple. We are the greatest country on the planet and
>the biggest consumers. They would rather complain about
>dependence on foreign oil than get our own. Liberals are
>intent on destroying our country to make us all suffer
>because we are the greatest country and to them we must pay
>for that because of some sort of guilt trip. They won't be
>happy until they've turned us into a 3rd world nation. They
>use those same ideals in dealing with the successful and the
>not successful. The successful don't deserve what they have
>busted their butts for and it must be redistributed to the
>non successful.

Amen, brother...A-freakin-men!! You nailed it, IMO!!!

ShaneW
08-12-2009, 06:17 AM
Absolutely busted - you got me. I wake up every day trying to figure out a way to ruin the country. So do the other 40% of the population that considers themselves Democrats. This is an example of the type of extremist comment that makes it rare to have a substantive, civilized discussions on a message board about politics. People make ridiculous statements like those because there is no accountability and they can become the hero of others who agree with them.

This one was good for a while until the wingnuts started in.

Shane

***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

jonnysled
08-12-2009, 06:24 AM
the problem with socialism is that there will come a point when you run out of other people's money

REPETESPINNERMAN
08-12-2009, 06:27 AM
>A little off topic but!
>What's wrong with this picture.
>Russia can and will drill for gas and oil 45 miles off the
>coast of Florida and we can't and won't.
> T.

You hate mother nature don't you? I bet you don't recycle and you litter every chance you get. Don't you know? Drilling off the coast of florida would displace a few dozen fish. Let's just be happy to complain about the price of gas and Haliburton and be done with it OK?!
-------------------
I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

coldfront
08-12-2009, 06:44 AM
I guess most of you are right lets just continue to pollute like hell it will have no effect. I was just wondering who has more money to fund studies designed to make it look one way or the other? Big oil and businesses that pollute, or enviromentalist? Kind of like the tobbaco companies, we all know ciggeretes don't cause cancer, the tobbaco companies have done studies that prove it.

Jack Pine
08-12-2009, 07:13 AM
No I don't hate Mother, and I do re-cycle.The rigs are going to be there and they are going to be Russian. Re-fish they love the rigs (artifical reefs) some of the best fishing in the Gulf is around the rigs.
T.

jonnysled
08-12-2009, 07:32 AM
"i recycle" ... that alone is a good one. anybody care to venture a guess as to the "path" your efforts follow after you walk away from the curb satisfied that you did your deed?

the single largest "export" from the u.s. is garbage. $6.5billion worth of waste loaded on containers and headed to asia. out of site and out of mind, or re-loaded into products willy-nilly to come back and possibly haunt us. there's more gold in a ton of cellphones than in a ton of gold ore ... etc, etc, etc ... if the crap stays here it's put into a landfill that is lined with a thick hdpe skin so that it cannot leach into groundwater.

those who continue to push the biodegradeable button are even more laughable.

source reduction is the only logical argument in the effort against polluting out planet. use less ... make what you have last longer.

Jack Pine
08-12-2009, 07:57 AM
Agree, It probably doesn't help much but I feel better for doing it, I also pick up all the sh!t I see floating in the Lake when I,m out fishing.Cans,styrafoam bait cups,etc.-----Slobs.
T.

row troller
08-12-2009, 07:59 AM
>
>Now if the scientists who say climate change is manmade are
>right and we ignore them we all lose.
>
>Shane
>
>


See the real problem comes when they are wrong and the stupid amounts of money directed to this false religion then come out to be a total waste of money.

Right now in a major financial crisis we as a country commited to hundreds of billions of dollars to collect CO2 and pump it into the ground.

Nobody knows if it works or if the CO2 will stay there, better yet the theory that CO2 is the problem and not the result of other conditions is still not even proven. Yet they the new administration signed on the dotted line and committed to paying to do this.

Thats the problem.

One more key fact as far as CO2 goes, when Mt Pinatubo erupted it emmited more CO2 in the first hour then man has through out history yet after the eruption the largest recorded CO2 sink occured. This has yet to be explained.

Once again this points to the fact that the knee jerk reactions to unproven science are just political reactions and not scientific ones.

Thom

row troller
08-12-2009, 08:02 AM
>Absolutely busted - you got me. I wake up every day trying
>to figure out a way to ruin the country. So do the other
>40% of the population that considers themselves Democrats.
>This is an example of the type of extremist comment that
>makes it rare to have a substantive, civilized discussions
>on a message board about politics. People make ridiculous
>statements like those because there is no accountability and
>they can become the hero of others who agree with them.
>
>This one was good for a while until the wingnuts started in.
>
>Shane
>
>***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***


yeah and "wingnuts" isnt the same exact attitude but reversed...LOL

row troller
08-12-2009, 08:08 AM
>"i recycle" ... that alone is a good one. anybody care to
>venture a guess as to the "path" your efforts follow after
>you walk away from the curb satisfied that you did your
>deed?
>
>the single largest "export" from the u.s. is garbage.
>$6.5billion worth of waste loaded on containers and headed
>to asia. out of site and out of mind, or re-loaded into
>products willy-nilly to come back and possibly haunt us.
>there's more gold in a ton of cellphones than in a ton of
>gold ore ... etc, etc, etc ... if the crap stays here it's
>put into a landfill that is lined with a thick hdpe skin so
>that it cannot leach into groundwater.
>
>those who continue to push the biodegradeable button are
>even more laughable.
>
>source reduction is the only logical argument in the effort
>against polluting out planet. use less ... make what you
>have last longer.

So are you saying taking mid 90's SUV's with half thier life left and pouring liquid glass into the motors isnt a good idea?

REPETESPINNERMAN
08-12-2009, 08:17 AM
>"i recycle" ... that alone is a good one. anybody care to
>venture a guess as to the "path" your efforts follow after
>you walk away from the curb satisfied that you did your
>deed?
>
>the single largest "export" from the u.s. is garbage.
>$6.5billion worth of waste loaded on containers and headed
>to asia. out of site and out of mind, or re-loaded into
>products willy-nilly to come back and possibly haunt us.
>there's more gold in a ton of cellphones than in a ton of
>gold ore ... etc, etc, etc ... if the crap stays here it's
>put into a landfill that is lined with a thick hdpe skin so
>that it cannot leach into groundwater.
>
>those who continue to push the biodegradeable button are
>even more laughable.
>
>source reduction is the only logical argument in the effort
>against polluting out planet. use less ... make what you
>have last longer.

sheeeez...how are we supposed to FEEL GOOD about ourselves then?

lol...this is pretty funny...how anyone that even questions the algore nutcases get called out as being evil anti environmental devils. You know what sled? I think anyone that doesn't refine and drink their own urine is a mother nature hater! Anyone that doesn't use the morning paper as TP is pure evil. Anyone not eating their own lawn rather than buying lettuce at the store should be condemned! lol...sorry...carry on.

-------------------
I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

BTPF
08-12-2009, 08:26 AM
>>It's simple. We are the greatest country on the planet and
>>the biggest consumers. They would rather complain about
>>dependence on foreign oil than get our own. Liberals are
>>intent on destroying our country to make us all suffer
>>because we are the greatest country and to them we must pay
>>for that because of some sort of guilt trip. They won't be
>>happy until they've turned us into a 3rd world nation. They
>>use those same ideals in dealing with the successful and the
>>not successful. The successful don't deserve what they have
>>busted their butts for and it must be redistributed to the
>>non successful.
>
>Amen, brother...A-freakin-men!! You nailed it, IMO!!!


Your hero George Bush was turning us into a 3rd world country faster than anyone in history. He did what the Red Army couldn't do in 60 years. 5 months in and Obama has already turned the ship around.

And you still don't like it.

hunter991
08-12-2009, 09:23 AM
Every day more and more "REAL" scientists come out against man made global warming but it's almost too late. The religion on those who believe MAN is solely responsible is too big. But the facts are, we are cooling now. Have been for the last 10 years. How can that be explained if we are supposed to be warming? oh thats right, change the name to climate change instead of global warming.

This "religion of global warming" is seriously out of control. This isn't to say we should pollute. IN fact, NO ONE just pollutes for the sake of polluting. That's assnine to think anyone does that. But to knee jerk react to global warming is silly. Just look what it has gotten us so far;

We have these new light bulbs that are environmental hazzards in themselves. they contain mercury which is bad for the environment, but hey they use less electricity. But how do you clean them up without calling a hazmat team?

Battery hybrid cars - just pushing off landfills filled with toxic batteries to another generation.. worry about it then right?

Nuclear energy is almost as clean as you can get yet the democrats will NEVER allow any more to be built. Why is that? Because the religion is all about money and power. This should tell you something. IN fact obama has stopped the EPA from releasing a report that bascially says there isn't any warming going on.. why? because it doesn't fit their agenda of cap and trade.

And the funniest one here is that obama has righted the ship after GWB.. yah okay... unemployement is over double of that of Bush just for the record. Obama will not be happy until he destroys this country and for anyone who actually believes a word coming out of this liar's mouth, well it amazes me how some can be so nieve.

I would bet most people would be happy with unemployment at 4.6% (under Bush) and 401k's and stock markets above 13,000.

ShaneW
08-12-2009, 10:21 AM
Let

hunter991
08-12-2009, 12:01 PM
Actually shane, congress was controlled by the dem's since 2006. So lets use 2000 to 2006 for GWB. Even thou clinton handed off a recession to Bush, dot.com burst, 9-11, MCI/Enron, 2 wars... Bush did a fairly good job of keeping the economy on track. He had more to deal with any pretty much any president in a long while.

You also forget that the likes of Chris Dodd, barney frank etc... had a HUGE hand in the housing bubble burst. I have video that shows just how against any form of regulation against fannie and freddie they were. They are as culpable as anyone is this mess and they are DEMOCRATS. The controlled banking and housing committees. Let us not forget who put the CRA in motion either... CARTER (the 2nd worst president next to obama)

Today you have umemployment at 9.4% (real number about 16%) but the obama admin won't tell you that. Want proof? they only count new claims not those who ran out of benefits. Also, its quite fishy when you lose 249k jobs but the unemployment number drops from 9.5% to 9.4% don't you think? That should say "LIAR" to anyone.

If we pass the stimulus plan which is needed RIGHT NOW without reading the bill, unemployment will stay under 8%.. Who said this? Can you guess? Who then said, "we underestimated the economy?" Who said this??

That's right the people in charge now. I think everyone was better off in 2004 than they are today. I would take Bush back in a heart beat over this marxist clown.

oh, one last thing shane.. you "people living in poverty stats".. tell me, where is the greatest poverty levels? and who controlls those districts? Can you pull me those stats?

ShaneW
08-12-2009, 12:29 PM
So Hunter if I use your logic since Congress was controlled by the GOP during most of the Clinton years than I should blame dot.com burst, 9-11, MCI/Enron, 2 wars" on them? You say Bush is exempt for the bad stuff because for 2 of his 8 years the Dems controlled Congress yet you blame Clinton for those things even though the GOP controlled Congress? Be intellectually honest before you stay stuff like that. What you are really trying to do is blame the Dems for everything and the GOP for nothing.

I won't even start on the 2 wars thing.

Shane



***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

hunter991
08-12-2009, 12:34 PM
Shane, can you guess why clinton had a surplus? Thats right because of the repub congress run by newt gingrich. The reason clinton handed a recession to bush was based on the dot.com burst. It went relatively unchecked by the feds. It was a house of cards. I am not really blaming clinton but since you blame bush you should realize what the pres can and can't do.

our world changed on 9-11. And i am glad we had a president that finally took notice. All this apologizing by obama and sending known terrorists to "consouling isn't going to work". Again, i was not a bush fan in the end with TARP but he did the right thing when he was faced with a bad economy in 2000. MUCH unlike the moron now who just prints money to spend more without worry of inflation, interest rates or selling future generations down the river.

it defies common sense to say "we need more gov't spending when the country is broke" Not sure why these idiots believe this. Does this work in our households? NOPE, it's econ 101 and i am sorry to report but we are headed for disaster with this dem congress and dem president. They are somehow defying the laws of economics and trying to convince the numb minded it will work.

ShaneW
08-12-2009, 12:40 PM
Hunter,

You are doing it again - giving the GOP credit for something without giving the Dems (Clinton) credit. You can say the GOP was in control of Congress and the surplus was because of them. However the GOP could not have passed a budget without Clinton and vice versa. Clinton could not have passed "his" budget without the GOP on board. The inverse is also true - the GOP could not pass "their" budget without Clinton on board because they did not have the votes to override a veto.

As far as 911 and being glad you had a President who took notice too bad he didn't notice Richard Clarke's warnings.

Shane

***I wish I had my own NFL draftboard.***

hunter991
08-12-2009, 12:48 PM
but you have to remember, congress does the spending and congress makes the laws. The president has final veto and sets the agenda. The GOP congress stopped many of the clinton spending initatives. And to be honest, Clinton wasn't that liberal. I didn't vote for him or agree with him on much but i would take him over the dolt in the WH now. At least clinton had a brain and understood some economics.

did hillary, john kerry, or dick durben think the war in iraq was a bad idea? (btw, i can provide video of each of them saying Iraq had WMD's and must be stopped. Only when it became unpopular did they jump off the wagon. Oh Bill clinton is on record as well.

And what about the 17 UN resolutions iraq was in breach of ? should we just let it slide? Anyone can play monday morning QB.

The gov't job is to protect our nation from enemy's foreign and domestic.. NOT TO;

1. own 2 car companies
2. own 27 banks
3. run all health care

as obama is 2/3 of the way accomplishing. Then take the 1.3 trillion in pay backs to lib organizations in the stimulus (5 billion to ACORN). Listen, this is NOT stimulus. And it's my money as it is yours etc...

Steve Heiting
08-12-2009, 12:51 PM
Hi guys:

We allow a lot, but politics usually just gets ugly.

Steve Heiting

www.steveheiting.com