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greybeard
09-18-2009, 12:49 PM
75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the U.S.

Sounds like just the place to build complicated machinery ! Its a good thing the people work cheap there! Maybe Mercury can dump all their waste and PCB's into the lakes like OMC did in Waukegan before
they move to China completely...........
have a great day.

pointerpride102
09-18-2009, 12:52 PM
They can't name the first President, but I bet they are smart enough to not vote themselves out of a job......

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

Hunter4
09-18-2009, 03:41 PM
Pointer,

That is the best response to a post that I have read in along time. Yeah, the union really showed Mercury whats what. Just plain stupid.

jonnysled
09-18-2009, 04:01 PM
>They can't name the first President, but I bet they are
>smart enough to not vote themselves out of a job......
>
>"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"
>
>Mike




:7

ulbian
09-18-2009, 08:41 PM
>They can't name the first President, but I bet they are
>smart enough to not vote themselves out of a job......
>
>"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"
>
>Mike


Lock the thread. We have a winner.

ESOXER
09-18-2009, 09:47 PM
KMA
Waste of money edjamakin that one!!:P :P :P

ulbian
09-19-2009, 08:34 AM
>More like a whinner!!
>
>Waste of money edjamakin that one!!:P :P :P


By "whinner" are you talking about one that whinnies? Or did you actually mean someone who whines? If you were talking about someone who whines then you meant "whiner." If it is the latter then I will direct others to this post as an incredible example of something that is ironic.

MuskyMidget
09-19-2009, 11:14 AM
Pointer that is one the all time classic responses I have ever seen on the boards.

So true ...

upnorth
09-19-2009, 11:25 PM
>They can't name the first President, but I bet they are
>smart enough to not vote themselves out of a job......

In case you did not hear, they had another vote that passed to keep the jobs in Fond du Lac for now. The state and county kicked in a bunch of money including an extra .5% county tax for FDL county.
The Oklahoma jobs will be coming up to here to WI.

By the company allowing another vote tells me that they never planned on leaving in the first place. Kinda like Harley Davidson is doing right now by announcing that they are looking for alternate sights in other states for the York Pennsylvania plant. Guess what is coming up early next year? Bargaining for a new union contract in York,that's what.
Unfortunately this tactic is repeated over and over around the country.

I'm sure everybody will start a union vs. company debate again so have at it!!!

pointerpride102
09-19-2009, 11:38 PM
Why exactly did this need another vote? If I have to cast a vote to keep me job, I don't care what someone tells me, I'm voting to keep my job. I wouldn't need a recount.

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

muskie_nut
09-20-2009, 10:31 AM
>Why exactly did this need another vote? If I have to cast a
>vote to keep me job, I don't care what someone tells me, I'm
>voting to keep my job. I wouldn't need a recount.

That statement from PP1.02 got me thinking. I wonder if the union higher ups, knowing the 1st vote passed, but telling everyone it failed - big time, tried to call Merc's bluff??? Then letting a 2nd vote happen to save their hind ends. Just wondering.:o

ESOXER
09-20-2009, 10:47 AM
Muskie-nut

Apparently you don't know anything about how 99.99% of unions handle their business. There are too many eyes and ears to check and re-check everything that is going on. Back in the 20's and 30's you would have been more accurate in your assumption. Today there are more government regulations regarding unions than there are for almost any other type of business.

And pointerpride, you're just here to stir the pot.

Could things have been different, absolutely, did they turn out to the advantage of the workers for the long run, absolutely.
Nothing more needs to be said.

jonnysled
09-20-2009, 11:18 AM
the MAN is just tryin' to keep us all down man ...

pointerpride102
09-20-2009, 02:18 PM
I just call it as I see it.

What man is that sled? Ted Thompson? Some O line he's built.


"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

jonnysled
09-20-2009, 02:28 PM
that Rodgers kid is holding the ball too long again too ... the offense is back to early 08 form and needs to get some timing going again.

or, maybe the pre-season is just that much different than the regular season?

i don't know, but way too many good players to not spank the bengals today at home. i hang it around that fat-cocky guy on the sidelines.

ESOXER
09-20-2009, 02:49 PM
Pointer ha ha ha don't trip over your white cane!! Go catch some fish and stop wasting time posting I'm going to.:P

muskie_nut
09-20-2009, 03:46 PM
> Today there are more government regulations
>regarding unions than there are for almost any other type of
>business.
>


I just have to ask. You mean the same regulations that ACORN is regulated to????

jonnysled
09-20-2009, 04:01 PM
>> Today there are more government regulations
>>regarding unions than there are for almost any other type of
>>business.
>>
>
>
>I just have to ask. You mean the same regulations that
>ACORN is regulated to????


OUCH ... stop making sense!

pointerpride102
09-20-2009, 04:03 PM
Even Gerard calls them as he sees them! Nice one!

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

ESOXER
09-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Muskie-nut, it must be lonely in your little world.
Go fishing.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-20-2009, 07:37 PM
>> Today there are more government regulations
>>regarding unions than there are for almost any other type of
>>business.
>>
>
>
>I just have to ask. You mean the same regulations that
>ACORN is regulated to????


Quit it...they were just providing a much needed service. I'm soooo sick of you guys picking on this kind of thing.

Remember...sad looking polar bears tell no lies.

....save the whales!

Free Tibet

.......Make Love Not War!

COEXIST (love that one) ...evidently...Osama Bin Laden saw this bumper sticker and was seen shedding one lone tear after reading it. ...and he promised to change his ways.

hunter991
09-21-2009, 07:31 AM
Someone mentioned Harley and the vote coming next year. Well, it's happening in all Wisconsin based companies. Jim Doyle and the democrats in this state passed something called "Combined reporting" What this does is taxes Wisc based companies on profits they make outside the state. THIS IS WHY Wisc based companies are being pushed out. It puts them at a competitive disadvantage.

BTPF
09-21-2009, 11:18 AM
Over 25 states have already adopted this, most have enacted it since before 1985. It's nothing new. If you look at the map it shows that most states in the south don't have it. What a surprise!

They never fund anything that's why you're lucky if you make $40,000 dollars a year in the south. Nobody down there is bright enough to make over $10 bucks an hour. }>

Just kidding.

hunter991
09-21-2009, 11:37 AM
so then tell me, if i had a business that was in a competitive market and had to pay taxes twice, but had the opportunity to move to a plant i already had in which i didn't have too. What would make sense? See my point? combined reporting is just another democrat idea that makes it harder to keep companies in states much less the country. Its business UN-friendly.

and please keep in mind, alot of states in the south don't have state income taxes either like we do. So the 40k a year sometimes can average out to someone who makes 50k in a tax hell like Wisconsin.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-21-2009, 11:52 AM
>so then tell me, if i had a business that was in a
>competitive market and had to pay taxes twice, but had the
>opportunity to move to a plant i already had in which i
>didn't have too. What would make sense? See my point?
>combined reporting is just another democrat idea that makes
>it harder to keep companies in states much less the country.
>Its business UN-friendly.
>
>and please keep in mind, alot of states in the south don't
>have state income taxes either like we do. So the 40k a year
>sometimes can average out to someone who makes 50k in a tax
>hell like Wisconsin.

Yep-There are 101 issues just like this. Either these politicians are actually really really ignorant or they simply avoid looking at the big picture in favor of votes. From crippling environmental regulations to business tax issues like these there's always more than meets the eye and unfortunately, at least half the country falls for it. x(

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We'll never forget you Brent.

hunter991
09-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Not to mention HUGE property taxes in Wisconsin, FEE's doubling for just about everything.... Add it all up and that person making 60k in the state of Wisc is about equal to those making much less in the south.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-21-2009, 01:27 PM
>Not to mention HUGE property taxes in Wisconsin, FEE's
>doubling for just about everything.... Add it all up and
>that person making 60k in the state of Wisc is about equal
>to those making much less in the south.

Yep...the same money will get you into twice the size house in Oklahoma from what you'd get here.

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

jonnysled
09-21-2009, 01:46 PM
>Nobody down there is
>bright enough to make over $10 bucks an hour. }>
>
>Just kidding.

you might be surprised at how impressive the south is and how strongly they suit their communities and its residents to the needs of prospective companies. it's not surprising why toyota, bmw, mercedes, nissan and have set-up residence down there. i built a business for a former company in the community of tupelo, mississippi ... amazing how they were bringing jobs to their area and how talented the workforce was.

it was a Sen. Trent Lott district ...

they know how to play football in the south too ...

ever think maybe the problems are in the north? LOL

1bm
09-21-2009, 08:36 PM
Sounds like a couple posters will be moving south soon since it is so great down there. Taxes are low, houses are cheap! Sweet more room on the lakes up here. I will help you move let me know!

North of 8
09-22-2009, 08:49 AM
Taxes in Wisonsin get a lot of attention but as someone who has worked in human resources for over 30 years, I can tell you the laws and regulations governing employment in WI have a lot to do with why business leaves the state. An example is Family and Medical Leave.
When the federal law passed, most states who had family leave laws simply adapted the federa law and dumped the state regs. Not Wisconsin, here employers with over 50 employees have to give workers two sets of paperwork, two sets of options, etc. Confuses everyone. Same thing with disability and employment. ADA is not enough in WI. They have the most expensive regs in the country thanks to the Crystal Lake Cheese decision by the WI supreme court.

I worked in Michigan for almost twenty years before returning to WI and was shocked to see how unfriendly WI employment laws were to employers. In the HR field, some call WI the California of the MidWest.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-22-2009, 09:05 AM
>Taxes in Wisonsin get a lot of attention but as someone who
>has worked in human resources for over 30 years, I can tell
>you the laws and regulations governing employment in WI have
>a lot to do with why business leaves the state. An example
>is Family and Medical Leave.
>When the federal law passed, most states who had family
>leave laws simply adapted the federa law and dumped the
>state regs. Not Wisconsin, here employers with over 50
>employees have to give workers two sets of paperwork, two
>sets of options, etc. Confuses everyone. Same thing with
>disability and employment. ADA is not enough in WI. They
>have the most expensive regs in the country thanks to the
>Crystal Lake Cheese decision by the WI supreme court.
>
>I worked in Michigan for almost twenty years before
>returning to WI and was shocked to see how unfriendly WI
>employment laws were to employers. In the HR field, some
>call WI the California of the MidWest.


Yep-The only time Democrats think of the impact on buisness is when they're about to leave and then they do what they do best-they bribe. The endless feel good democratic pushed legislation comes at a huge price but 1/2 the country just doesn't understand that.


I had to laugh...I read a blurb from an interview with Dave Mathews where he was playing the perfect feel good left wing pabulum puker he is. He said "On my tours we're all treated totally equally. Socialism is not at all a bad thing as far as I'm concerned".

Now, if I was the interviewer I'd ask "So, are you saying the guy that cleans the tour bus makes as much money as you Dave?" Does the guy driving the bus own the same size houses as you and drive Bentlys?"

Ummmmm.....ya.....OK Dave....you socialist you.

lmao...it's amazing that these people aren't called out for their BS comments like this.



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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

North of 8
09-22-2009, 09:17 AM
Repete, it would be easy to blame the Democrats for Wisconsin's employer unfriendly laws but much of the problem was created during Tommy's reign. A few years ago we had a meeting of HR folks in my region, from a lot of different companies, with our state senator, a Republican. She not only defended such nonsense as keeping the Wisconsin Family and Medical Leave Act after FMLA came into being but said she was proud of Wisconsin's employment laws. At the time she was a ranking Rep. senator. Needless to say, the HR people in the meeting were not impressed. When we explained the burden the WI regs placed on employers and the competitive problem they created, she continued to defend the regulations.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-22-2009, 09:36 AM
>Repete, it would be easy to blame the Democrats for
>Wisconsin's employer unfriendly laws but much of the problem
>was created during Tommy's reign. A few years ago we had a
>meeting of HR folks in my region, from a lot of different
>companies, with our state senator, a Republican. She not
>only defended such nonsense as keeping the Wisconsin Family
>and Medical Leave Act after FMLA came into being but said
>she was proud of Wisconsin's employment laws. At the time
>she was a ranking Rep. senator. Needless to say, the HR
>people in the meeting were not impressed. When we explained
>the burden the WI regs placed on employers and the
>competitive problem they created, she continued to defend
>the regulations.

This is why it's often more appropriate to talk in terms of liberal verses conservative. No true consevative (Republican or Democrat)would push for over the top employment laws like this that cripple buisnesses. In a perfect world every employee would be honest enough that we could have these types of laws and make it work. We don't live in a perfect world and these are the types of laws that kill small buisness.

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

hunter991
09-22-2009, 12:42 PM
Thats a good point. Having an (R) in front of your name doesn't mean you are a conservative. We have had a long history in this state of "R's" who are liberal. Nationally, look at Snowe or McCain for that matter.

But for everyone of these dumb ideas they put thru, the liberals are doing 10x more. Again, the taxes in this state are out of control. so are the fee's. The ideas on the horizon are even worse. Commuter rail, electric trains, all subsidized by the taxpayer and will never be used. Jim Doyle has screwed this state. He knows it too. He laughs about it. Its why he's not running again. His own exploritory panel was telling him he was done, toast over!!

If anyone thinks is so great here, why are the jobs leaving? why are there no companies coming here? Nissan motors looked at Wisc, and Doyle didn't want them. Said the pollute too much. They went to TN instead because the taxes were about 1/2.

Hotlanta
09-23-2009, 09:37 AM
Thanks for defending the south Sled, it was not necessary, but thank you just the same. I moved down here 22 yrs. ago from the north and have found southerners very gracious and intelligent. If you ever get south contact me and I will show you some TN musky fishing and southern hospitality.

Chris

Muskiefool
09-23-2009, 11:35 PM
I'm hoping if I can work for half as much I can keep my job twice as long.

When it comes to voting out wages I'm all in, people make way way to much money up here.

Whats it gonna take for all these spoiled baby's to learn to give back more wages to their owners and live in places with low taxes, no prevailing wages; in right to work for less states soaking up all the gravy.

I would work for free if they would show me Fox news while I peeled potatoes for the haves.

We need less black top and more gravel.

I'm gonna go put a rebel flag in the back winder meow buoy and keep my job and the pop up I live in my diddys back yard in; all y'all.


Muskiestosis
100% C&R
fish>EGO

BTPF
09-24-2009, 07:45 AM
When Ford parts came to Wisconsin Menomonie gave them 10 years free taxes. Give me a break about crippling these companies. These are the companies who would rather lay you off and send your job to Mexico so some Mexican can do it for 25 cents an hour because they don't think paying you is worth it and they sure as hell don't give a F#$k about you.

2% of the richest people in the country control 95% of the money.
It's like Kings and peasants and you're happy to be a peasant. I don't care how much you think you make it isn't squat.

They own you. You're just not bright enough to know it. They've actually brainwashed you into thinking you do based on guns, abortion, and religion. Oh and by the way, I think I'd take the word of an educated scientist who went to college for 6-10 years and has been working in the field studying global warming and climate change the past 20 years before I take the word of some schmuck from Wisconsin with a high school education and a pabst in his hand who thinks he knows what's going on.

But that's just me. That's the way I roll.


:P

BTPF
09-24-2009, 07:52 AM
And just look how toyota quality has started going down hill since toyota makes most of their stuff in the South now. My mother and step father live in Tennessee. I have no problem with the South. I just know for a fact you don't get the education you get in a state that actually funds education ala the North.

It's actually really nice where they live in Tennessee up in the mountains. I wouldn't mind retiring down there after my daughter gets an education up here in Wisconsin.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-24-2009, 08:07 AM
>When Ford parts came to Wisconsin Menomonie gave them 10
>years free taxes. Give me a break about crippling these
>companies. These are the companies who would rather lay you
>off and send your job to Mexico so some Mexican can do it
>for 25 cents an hour because they don't think paying you is
>worth it and they sure as hell don't give a F#$k about you.
>
>2% of the richest people in the country control 95% of the
>money.
>It's like Kings and peasants and you're happy to be a
>peasant. I don't care how much you think you make it isn't
>squat.
>
>They own you. You're just not bright enough to know it.
>They've actually brainwashed you into thinking you do based
>on guns, abortion, and religion. Oh and by the way, I think
>I'd take the word of an educated scientist who went to
>college for 6-10 years and has been working in the field
>studying global warming and climate change the past 20 years
>before I take the word of some schmuck from Wisconsin with a
>high school education and a pabst in his hand who thinks he
>knows what's going on.
>
>But that's just me. That's the way I roll.
>
>
>:P


Really? We're all just peasants? Never thought of myself like that. Interesting...those of us that busted our arshes and worked hard and have been blessed with damn near everyting we could ever want in life are "peasants"? hmmmmmmmm...interesting.

Hey, I'll be retiring at 55 to Northern WI where I'll spend my days fishing. Any chance you'd be interested in doing my care taking? I REALLY hate fall and dealing with leaves.



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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

Hunter4
09-24-2009, 08:38 AM
Hi guys,

With the talk about quality and how the it suffers once you get south of the Mason Dixson line. I have to ask one question. Aren't specs-specs no matter where a particular product is made? I can see a screw that needs to be tighten at 25psi anymore or anyless south or north. A very stupid conversation.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-24-2009, 09:33 AM
>Hi guys,
>
>With the talk about quality and how the it suffers once you
>get south of the Mason Dixson line. I have to ask one
>question. Aren't specs-specs no matter where a particular
>product is made? I can see a screw that needs to be tighten
>at 25psi anymore or anyless south or north. A very stupid
>conversation.

How many times do you hear the words "quality" and customer service used in the same sentence with the word union? Boy, Detroit sure built great quality cars for a ton of years huh? I mean, year after year they led the world in "quality" right?!

nuff said...gotta go....looks like peasent washing my Camry missed a spot.

Steve Heiting
11-16-2009, 07:47 AM
I think this one has played out long enough ...

Steve Heiting

www.steveheiting.com