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insearchof50
09-06-2009, 07:19 PM
Man, we better start just burning wood for no good reason. The world is cooling (for 9 straight years now), and we are going to be one giant icecube shortly.

If you doubt these FACTS, please click on this site. You can see that Antarctic ice is growing at a frightening pace, up over 40% in the last 30 years.

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/comment.php?comment.news.109

Sorry, but FACTS like these are the reasons the libs are now calling it "Global Climate Change".

This entire hoax was created for no other reason than to be able to increase taxes on corporations. More money for the government. And, frankly, pretty ingenious but unfortunately mother nature busted them.

ISO 50

john skarie
09-06-2009, 09:38 PM
Cherry pickers unite!!

Watch out, the liberals are going to (fill in the blank here), 'cause they don't care, don't know any better and can't be trusted.

After all, liberals are all the same, think the same and have the same destuctive goals. I bet you can pick the out by how they smell.

(think maybe we could start realizing we all live together, and people aren't right or wrong based on what "name" you brand them under??)

What ever happened to respect for fellow human beings?

(we all are humans, have families, want to live a good life, be healthy happy and go fishing righ?)

I guess that would be to much to ask.

Phoenix
09-07-2009, 12:03 AM
This looks like a political thread to me.....

Steve

wallygator
09-07-2009, 05:56 AM
Hey Guys
I was so excited to help your cause to burn more wood. I will fire my weber grill up everyday to cook dinner on it.Where there is wood smoke there is FLAVOR........Pass the pork products

Wally :9 :9

chuckski
09-07-2009, 06:49 AM
Can you say lock down?:+

muskiemyke
09-07-2009, 07:20 AM
i'm all for global warming. i wouldn't mind sitting on a beach, with a cold drink with an umbrella in it, in some tropical paradise, like eagle river, in january.

ShaneW
09-07-2009, 07:38 AM

muskellunged
09-07-2009, 08:17 AM
This is the worst post ever.

FACT!

Phoenix
09-07-2009, 12:23 PM
Dumb information for dumber people.

insearchof50
09-07-2009, 02:13 PM
The point is, global warming is a hoax. Like most things political, all you have to do is follow the money. The liberal movement stands to gain trillions as this will hurt US industry by taxing the living crap out of most businesses.

It will also generate trillions of dollars of tax revenue, creating a bigger government.

Bigger government means more and more people are dependent on the government. This is clearly the goal of liberals. Just look at any liberal stronghold (big cities) and you will find taxes for pretty much everthing, and a citizenry sucking off the teet of government.

It is only by the grace of God that natural cycles took hold soon enough or Gore and his cadre of giant house owning, charter flight using hypocrites would have convinced our population of sheep to believe in this nonsense.

Clearly, some still do believe in this nonsense. Apparently, they can't look at the simple photographs provided in this thread.

In any event, yes, please fire up your grills, eat lots of brats, and enjoy the great outdoors, while the libs gnash their teeth and try to figure the next scam to perpetrate on our population.

ISO 50

Hunter4
09-07-2009, 02:19 PM
Geez,

Go fish already.

insearchof50
09-07-2009, 04:56 PM
I should have thought of that! But I am not sure how either going fishing, or just not bothering to notice what takes place in the world around me is a good answer.

Too many people in our country just go fishing, or go hunting, or go to a movie, or go to the mall, etc. That is how we get ourselves in the trouble we are in.

ISO 50

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-07-2009, 06:29 PM
>
>Cherry pickers unite!!
>
>Watch out, the liberals are going to (fill in the blank
>here), 'cause they don't care, don't know any better and
>can't be trusted.
>
>After all, liberals are all the same, think the same and
>have the same destuctive goals. I bet you can pick the out
>by how they smell.
>
>(think maybe we could start realizing we all live together,
>and people aren't right or wrong based on what "name" you
>brand them under??)
>
>What ever happened to respect for fellow human beings?
>
>(we all are humans, have families, want to live a good life,
>be healthy happy and go fishing righ?)
>
>I guess that would be to much to ask.

LMAO...you did it AGAIN! Time after time YOU JS are the FIRST person to inject politics and bring the liberal and conservative talk into the fold...only to later rant on and on about how evil us conservatives are for doing nothing more than responding to your BS feel good puke! lol

Go back and read that other global warming thread...YOU said in the first post "It must be a liberal conspiracy!" ...and then proceeded to rant on and on and on about how I shouldn't go there after I called you out on that!

AGAIN...I'll say it AGAIN...YOU and your kind are so transparent it's not even funny. Endless feel good BS like this to try to make yourself appear more righteous than the next person...then when people like me call you out on it...you play victim and try to turn the tables that it's us that's looking down on people.

You really need to take a giant step back and check your views on things. There's pretty much nothing you rant about that most of us don't want to see in this world. We all want peace...clean environment....everything you do...but some of us understand that there's more that meets the eye and all the FEEL GOOD speech does is cloud the FACTS.

Like your comment to huskyjerk about our country and pollution. In your little world we should spend BILLIONS on top of BILLIONS to cut emmisionss in this country by fractions and pay absolutly ZERO attention to what any other countries do or what ramifications would come of it. It feels good to say that right? It feels good to accuse others of being less caring of others right? It feels good to accuse me of calling you out right? You got buried with FACTS in that global warming thread so what did you do? Target somebody to help you FEEL GOOD about yourself! lmao

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

john skarie
09-07-2009, 07:28 PM
Did you say something Repete?

T Bone
09-07-2009, 08:45 PM
ShaneW, funny you come out and talk about "fun with numbers" and "cherry picking his data". You libs never do that, just keep following your global warming religion. May we all aspire to be like California.
As Sled once said, "Lemmings".

pointerpride102
09-07-2009, 08:52 PM
With all the experts on here I'm surprised global warming/cooling, which ever it is today, is a problem.

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 05:20 AM
>
>
>Did you say something Repete?


Hey...congrats! That's much better! No name calling from Mr. "Why can't we treat people better". lmao

It's pretty fricken comical that you STILL have not even attempted to answer my question. WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?!

hmmmmmmmmmmm...pretty hillarious how you endlessly take pot shots and call people names but never give any information to support anything you say. WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?! You do understand that there were no big bad evil factories or SUVs back then right? Ar you going to answer that? ...or just continue to call anyone out that doesn't play your games?
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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 05:23 AM
>Dumb information for dumber people.

Cool...You and JS must go to the same "forward thinking can't we all just treat people better and with more respect left wing school! Endless name calling but it's people like ME that are a problem. Got it! ....alrighty then.



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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

ShaneW
09-08-2009, 05:55 AM

coldfront
09-08-2009, 07:17 AM
I guess since they are growing ice in the antarctic and Himalayas we will be ok losing most of our ice to the north?

hunter991
09-08-2009, 07:27 AM
yep, this is what us global warming skeptics have been saying for years. its just further proof that MAN MADE global warming is a myth. The weather and temperatures are cyclical. Have been for as long as temperatures have been recorded. What i can't understand is how the green crowd doesn't understand this. We have been cooling for 9 straight years!!!!! thus the name change from global warming to "climate change". This whole movement or religion is nothing more than "money" to be made at the expense of those of us who pay taxes.

shanew, your "better safe than sorry" comment will cost consumers and extrodinary amount of money on junk science. I am NOT willing to be "better safe than sorry" when i see NO proof of this being man-made. I can't afford anymore taxes, fee's etc... Just like 99% of the population. This is nothing more than a money grab for junk science.

BTPF
09-08-2009, 07:42 AM
At a townhall meeting the other day this republican guy started yelling out to leave his health insurance alone and that he does not want socialism. He then says in the same sentence nobody better touch his medicare!

LMAO! Where did these people go to school?

You couldn't make this stuff up if you were stranded on a desert island with a pen and a pad of paper.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 07:43 AM
>yep, this is what us global warming skeptics have been
>saying for years. its just further proof that MAN MADE
>global warming is a myth. The weather and temperatures are
>cyclical. Have been for as long as temperatures have been
>recorded. What i can't understand is how the green crowd
>doesn't understand this. We have been cooling for 9 straight
>years!!!!! thus the name change from global warming to
>"climate change". This whole movement or religion is nothing
>more than "money" to be made at the expense of those of us
>who pay taxes.
>
>shanew, your "better safe than sorry" comment will cost
>consumers and extrodinary amount of money on junk science. I
>am NOT willing to be "better safe than sorry" when i see NO
>proof of this being man-made. I can't afford anymore taxes,
>fee's etc... Just like 99% of the population. This is
>nothing more than a money grab for junk science.


One would think THIS question might actually generate some serious thought from these people huh? Any of you GOREISTAS going to answer this?!!!!!!!!

WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 08:15 AM
>At a townhall meeting the other day this republican guy
>started yelling out to leave his health insurance alone and
>that he does not want socialism. He then says in the same
>sentence nobody better touch his medicare!
>
>LMAO! Where did these people go to school?
>
>You couldn't make this stuff up if you were stranded on a
>desert island with a pen and a pad of paper.

What's actually funny is you miss his very valid point! lol

I'm all for government keeping their paws off my money. I tend to think my money is my money and I tend to think anything the government touches turns to a pile of crap.

...but now that I've paid into the system my entire life and they've taken all my money...they better not take away my medicare! Had they let me save and do for myself (crazy thought for some I know) I could have managed my own care. THAT'S THE POINT.

I just LOVE how some people just-can-not understand the idea of personal responsabilty and what socialism is!

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

Musky_Ninja
09-08-2009, 09:40 AM
Wow. Some people on here really overvalue their own opinions.

Sackett
09-08-2009, 09:48 AM
>Geez,
>
>Go fish already.

Or go see Lewis Black, least some laughs should come of it.

T Bone
09-08-2009, 10:18 AM
BTPF, no one forces someone into medicare. Medicare is not going to destroy private heath care. Unlike Obamacare will do. The man was making a valid point. (this in no way supporting or opposing medicare)

muskellunged
09-08-2009, 11:23 AM
>WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?

dinosaur flatulance

Seriously, you oughta consider taking a valium, suppository style!

muskellunged
09-08-2009, 11:26 AM
>
>>WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?
>
T-Rex farts

And no, feeding it to the Gerbil does not attain the desired effect, RePete!

row troller
09-08-2009, 11:28 AM
>BTPF, no one forces someone into medicare. Medicare is not
>going to destroy private heath care. Unlike Obamacare will
>do. The man was making a valid point. (this in no way
>supporting or opposing medicare)


this is really not correct.

medicare has allready made the senior market non-viable for isurance companies as people wont pay for something that is allready provided.

medicare also sets the prices on many services in healthcare and those payment levels then become a baseline that providers later base none-medicare paid services on. because those same services are less expensive to provide to younger healthier patients those patients are then paying what would amount to a higher then true market cost.

the system is broken and we need to fix it but the answer is not for the government to jump in with both feet. this will only ruin the best healthcare system on the face of the earth.

we need tort reform and limits on liability.

we need accurate fair costs for services so people can buy catostrphic care and pay the wellness/preventative care outa pocket.

we recently took my daughter in to the emergency room, she recieved 2 litres of saline and was actually seen by a doctor for a total of 10 min and used a care room for n3 hours while she recieved the IV fluids. The total cost was just over $5200. She got great care but that cost for the service is jsut stupid in every way.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 11:58 AM
>>
>>>WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?
>>
>T-Rex farts
>
>And no, feeding it to the Gerbil does not attain the desired
>effect, RePete!

This coming from a guy that talks about hair care products on a musky fishing forum and worships Brad Pitt. I'm SHOCKED a mans azz would be on your mind. Just SHOCKED. lol

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

hunter991
09-08-2009, 12:12 PM
I agree, tort reform is a great place to start. I have also heard some asking for standard price lists for certain services so people can shop around. I think this is a great idea and will spark huge competition. Just look what it did for the Lasic surgery market. Think about it, when is the last time you knew what the price was for a health care service you were provided?

muskellunged
09-08-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm guessing it's not the 1st time you've been told to put it where the sun don't shine!

Ah, warming, cooling, lately here it's been unchanging and steady. I ain't pretending to be smart or more caring. It's natural to want to defend ones arguments. But to interject merely to harass JS about a long gone post from the past is just lame. Petty. Can't you rise up and fight for your cause and not bring your personal BS to the table?

Your name is apt. But you could also go by the Thread HiJacker or Blabs Gayman.

Back to the topic of Global Warming-there are facts that support it and facts that debunk it. So it is an unknown, no doubt. If we admit that, where do we go from there? There seems to be an abundance of scare-tactics and opposition to Obama's regime. He will listen to all sides and decide on the best course of action. The President will lead us towards his goal of 80% Carbon emission reduction by 2050 by implementing the cap and trade system, which uses the marketplace to encourage efficiency. Clean Energy and a Greener Tomorrow!

hunter991
09-08-2009, 12:50 PM
at a huge cost that will do nothing to affect the myth of global warming. So while we all struggle to pay for heat and electricity while we are building windfarms, you will have obama to thank for the add'l $3000 a year on your energy bill.

See my point? if global warming really actually existed, then why are we cooling for the last 9 years? oh yah, because of "climate change".. whatever.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 01:07 PM
>at a huge cost that will do nothing to affect the myth of
>global warming. So while we all struggle to pay for heat and
>electricity while we are building windfarms, you will have
>obama to thank for the add'l $3000 a year on your energy
>bill.
>
>See my point? if global warming really actually existed,
>then why are we cooling for the last 9 years? oh yah,
>because of "climate change".. whatever.

Yes, most of us have gotten the point for some time now. Others don't want to get the point because it FEELS GOOD to make it appear they care more about the environment than the rest of us.



Still crickets on this one huh Phoenix and JS?

WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

Phoenix
09-08-2009, 01:09 PM
This is a political post and if Mr.Heiting was a man of his word it would have been locked down in the beginning.

Childish gibberish.

Steve

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 01:18 PM
>This is a political post and if Mr.Heiting was a man of his
>word it would have been locked down in the beginning.
>
>Childish gibberish.
>
>Steve

ya...lock it down before it gets any hotter in the kitchen. Us
anti-environmentalists are palluting everything...even websites!:7 How dare we actually give sincere thought to something without caring about the feel good P.C. BS?

WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE?



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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

Phoenix
09-08-2009, 01:19 PM
"Hi guys:
We allow a lot, but politics usually just gets ugly.

Steve Heiting

www.steveheiting.com"

Fishforsale
09-08-2009, 01:23 PM
The Better Be Safe Then Sorry argument doesn't work.

It doesn't work when Christians tell non-believers... you'd better be safe then sorry and to that end, we're talking about an afterlife in which you'll either spend all eternity in bliss or gnashing your teeth in a lake of fire.

What makes you think that'll work on this argument? Ironically, you don't know if we won't be better off a few degrees warmer or cooler. No one said that our current temp is our optimum temp. When you combine that conundrum with the simple fact that no actual proof of Man Made Global Warming exists... it's no wonder you people use the same tactics that many religious folks use.

hunter991
09-08-2009, 01:26 PM
we are keeping it civil. All in good conversation. This does relate to musky fishing in some far out way doesn't it? It's all going to cost us more if cap and tax gets passed, meaning less trips to the lake or buying less products. ;-)

Fishforsale
09-08-2009, 01:27 PM
Agreed.

It's quite simple. If this argument bothers you in some way, stop reading it. lol

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 01:37 PM
>The Better Be Safe Then Sorry argument doesn't work.

Exactly...the entire goreista view on global warming is just sooooo simplistic and short sighted it's not even funny. We should just spend billions and billions and billions of money that none of us has on this...for what? It doesn't matter that we don't even have the money for silly little things like mainting our infrastructure these days. Heck, it wouldn't FEEL GOOD to be outspoken about pot holes and electric grids would it?!

IF ONLY WE HAD LIBERALS AROUND BACK DURING THE ICE AGE. THEN WE'D BE JUST FINE RIGHT NOW! ...BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE SAVED US FROM THAT MELT DOWN!! LMAO :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7

Hey...isn't it about time to post a photo of a sad looking polar bear or something to support your arguement JS?

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I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

hunter991
09-08-2009, 02:04 PM
i do think that in 10 years when the temps continue to cool, there will be the same group of religious global warming people still saying we need to save the planet with billions of dollars to stop "Global Cooling". Like i said before, back in the 70's these same scientists predicted the next ice age. We were taught about it in school and the world was going to end. It never happened. Anyone old enough to remember that?

Fishforsale
09-08-2009, 02:39 PM
It would be nice if instead of editing posts and complaining about the political nature of this topic, if one of you alarmist's would provide us with some scientific evidence proving man is indeed responsible.

You're going to increase what I pay for energy in my home, car, etc by 40% with all these imposed taxes meant to curb my carbon foot print... it's not to much to ask for some proof is it? Evidence, please.

(pictures of ice melting doesn't prove that man is responsible)

Canudude
09-08-2009, 03:56 PM
You don't think pollution effects the environment and in turn can effect our climate? To me its a no brainer that the byproducts of our ridiculous over consumption, multiplied by the increasing population of the world and the demand to live a consumptive lifestyle are going to catch up with us. What's so wrong with trying to increase efficiency and trying to pollute less?

You are happy with the last eight years under George W?

I know its about global warming, which is relevant to what we all love to do and talk about on this site. But, there are differing ideologies at work here that effect how we see the issue and the evidence or just believe what we want to believe because it is attached to a certain political party or mind set. I'll get political for a minute here. There are certain ideals from the liberal viewpoint that I side with and certain ones from the conservative (I don't use the word "left" because that implies communism/socialism and that is NOT where we are headed, despite the rhetoric of the very desperate, anti-progress scare-mongers) The big difference I see between the two parties right now is their motivation. I think the liberal agenda is mostly motivated by a desire to actually do good for human kind - ALL of human kind. And the right, is motivated by the desire to fill their pockets and preserve the wealth of a few at the expense of the many (often under the guise of protecting our individual freedoms and autonomy). Lets see, what has George W. done since leaving office? Have we heard from him? But, look at what Bill Clinton has done. He has been active everywhere on the globe fighting for peace, fighting poverty, fighting disease and fighting for the environment, and committing his own funds along with his time and energy to these causes. George is busy profiting by exercising the business connections he created through his policy. Al Gore? The man is sincere. And there is substance in what he says. A man with his brains, his connections, and his position could easily profit more if he chose to put his energy and influence into traditionally profit oriented business. This global warming thing is not motivated by profit and neither is Al Gore. Do these "do gooders" enjoy the power and status they get from their positions? Sure they do. Most high achievers do. But that is not the underlying motivation. And Obama is sincere too. Let's face it. Our healthcare system has serious problems. And so does our economy. And our position and credibility in the world have suffered tremendously over the last 8 years (and so has the safety of our nation - yes we are less safe due to GWB). We need to do something. We need positive change. And the tactics of the right to stand in the way of real progress have sadly withered to an all time low, to where there is no more constructive dialog and we no longer have a two party system. You had your chance - eight years of it. Debate if you want, that's good. But debate, don't hate.

It's not socialism. It's not communism or fascism.

Its Change, Reform...and that's as American as apple pie.

Musky_Ninja
09-08-2009, 04:36 PM
Well said Candude. Amen. God i hate being labeled a liberal.Or labeled at all. Im pretty sure some people mistake the political right for being correct. Man fall is coming..fattys and bowhunting.Life is good.

BTPF
09-08-2009, 05:19 PM
>>At a townhall meeting the other day this republican guy
>>started yelling out to leave his health insurance alone and
>>that he does not want socialism. He then says in the same
>>sentence nobody better touch his medicare!
>>
>>LMAO! Where did these people go to school?
>>
>>You couldn't make this stuff up if you were stranded on a
>>desert island with a pen and a pad of paper.
>
>What's actually funny is you miss his very valid point! lol
>
>I'm all for government keeping their paws off my money. I
>tend to think my money is my money and I tend to think
>anything the government touches turns to a pile of crap.
>
>...but now that I've paid into the system my entire life and
>they've taken all my money...they better not take away my
>medicare! Had they let me save and do for myself (crazy
>thought for some I know) I could have managed my own care.
>THAT'S THE POINT.
>
>I just LOVE how some people just-can-not understand the idea
>of personal responsabilty and what socialism is!
>
>-------------------
>I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not
>up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my
>decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S
>NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.
>
>Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript -
>March 6, 2008
>
>We'll never forget you Brent.

So for the average guy who is retired at 60 years old and takes home $1,500 dollars a month and you want him to pay the insurance companies $1100 dollars of that a month? Yup, he is suppose to live on $400 dollars? Hilarious!!!

Who is going to do that? If you retired at age 58 and needed health insurance you would have to pay $12,000 dollars a year for 7 years or $84,000 dollars until medicare kicks in. And that's on the single plan. What about your wife?

Let's just say there was no medicare since you are so fiscally responsible. Let's just say you live till your 80 years old.

If you retired at 57 years old and lived to be 80 years old you would have to pay $276,000 dollars just for yourself if there was no medicare. Go ahead and pay that if you want. I know for damn sure you didn't pay no quarter million into medicare during your lifetime.

It cracks me up to think that the republican party (The party of big business) has brainwashed the average schmuck making less than a half million a year to vote against his best interests in the name of religion, guns, and abortion. It's almost laughable.

I know my retirement plan has grown under Obama 20% and went down under the republicans over 70%. Not to mention gas and heating costs have been cut in half. So if you ask me if I'll ever vote republican again I would have to answer with a big loud F NO!

And another thing. I was counting all my guns last night and guess what? I still have them all!!!

Short Strike
09-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Not starting anything just my .02.Ex President Bill Clinton charges between $100,000 - $300,000 per speach he makes, has amassed over $40,000,000 in wealth, yes thats million, just from speaking engagements. so beneficially networking with friends you have made while in office kinda goes both ways. Perhaps this upstanding citizen needs that money to settle the lawsuits that have followed him since the 70's. Paula Jones, whome he paid 850,000 in a settlement, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, and countless others that came forth in the late 90's with proven accusations of adultery and abuse of power. The second president in history to be impeached, perhaps may not be the best individual to base arguments upon. And I voted for the guy.

hunter991
09-08-2009, 07:03 PM
canudude, you couldn't be more wrong in my opinion. When you have a gov't that wants to own the financial system, health care system, auto makers, you have a socialist gov't. Please look it up. This is not progress so that is BS. This is exactly what Venezaula looks like. Why do you think Hugo Chavez is supporting obama for GOSH sake? And when you control all the media outlets except Fox and the WSJ, and then starting to talk about passing the "fairness doctrine" you are talking about the verge of communism. This is gov't control in all aspects of our lives. This is insane. I am sorry you don't see this and support it, but soon it will slap you when you least expect it when you lose your liberties. People on the left such as yourself complained about wiretapping terrorists, yet the fishy email website is gov't tracking your email or your computer and you don't care? Did you know the HC bill has a provision in it that says you have to give the gov't access to your bank accounts? it's there, page 53 if you don't believe me. This all may be okay with you, but again IMO you are incorrect. I say this with respect, but you need to open your eyes bud. And cap and trade is all about repaying GE on the backs of taxpayers. It will do NOTHING to stop global warming even if it wasn't a myth (which it is). If you think so, please try to explain. Keep the debate civil.


PLEASE tell me one country that has been successful under either of these models? communism or socialism. Even some prominent economic minds are saying we are headed down the same path at Argentina.. Just google what kind of shape they are in. We are following the similar model with an inexperienced president that couldnt' run a 7-11.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-08-2009, 07:37 PM
> The big difference I
>see between the two parties right now is their motivation. I
>think the liberal agenda is mostly motivated by a desire to
>actually do good for human kind - ALL of human kind. And the
>right, is motivated by the desire to fill their pockets and
>preserve the wealth of a few at the expense of the many
>(often under the guise of protecting our individual freedoms
>and autonomy).


No...it's got nothing to do with feel goodism right? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. The liberal agenda is to institutionalize it's voting base ...From union labor to the minority vote. WAKE UP. It's exactly this blind uninformed feel good say nothing talk and mindset that's killing this country. Take a look at all of our poorist cities going back 30 years. Guess what they all have in common? Yep...they vote democrat year after year. Democrats are doing great things with the 98% of blacks that vote for them! Drop out rates and illegit kid rates are going up year after year. Prisons are filling with minorites. Well done you passionate "do gooders"! lmao
You're REALLY doing a great job with your voting base!

Those of us like me that TRULY believe we're all created equal are called racists for doing nothing more than actually expecting the same out of ALL people regardless of race or class.

Democrats demonize anyone that DARES to actually work hard and maybe earn more than the "average" wage. Just look at this bs comment above. Like I said, MOST of the feel good liberals that endlessly rant about evil rich republicans feel that way because they're underachieving individuals themselves that don't earn, save or "do for themselves"! ...those of us that do are greedy and evil!

Wanting to preserve our wealth?!??!??! Well...No, I don't want YOU to have the money I EARNED AND SAVED while YOU did NOT. NO, I DO NOT want some lazy parasite that won't work to get paid the money I work hard for. NO...I don't want YOU getting the money I leave for my kids. If all of that type of thought makes me an evil greedy conservative...well...that's fine. Very hard working self sufficient American would be more accurate but most of you liberals have NO CLUE what that even means. There's a VERY GOOD REASON liberals want to increase inheritence taxes and tax rates for top wage earners...because most of the same people that rant on about these things are undersacheivers that do NOTHING for themselves and they aren't affected by any of these things!

I notice that Merc Marine might stay given that Fond Du Lac tax payers are going to subsidize this deal. lmao...NICE! Just as was the case with the auto industry...tax payers are paying to support over paid union laborers to keep them afloat. No...none of this has anything to do with socialism!!! You're right.

Does anything more need to be said on this than the complete silence from you feel good liberals when we've now asked 101 times. WHAT CAUSED THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE? Just silence...it must hurt your heads to even think about that one huh? Not even any photos of sad polar bears? lol

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Musky_Ninja
09-08-2009, 07:52 PM
I get it. If your Repulican your right always. If your not Republican your something else..maybe not American..god forbid someone who disagrees with you. I served my country because I thoght it was the right thing to do. I still think it was the right thing to do. I am not saying that entitles me to anything that anyone else is not entitled to..just that I get to have an opinion..just like you. just because you scream louder doesnt mean your opinion is more valid. I hope someday we meet on the water..and maybe could fish together..

pointerpride102
09-08-2009, 08:24 PM
"Your name is apt. But you could also go by the.... Blabs Gayman."

Muskellunged with the most mature statement of the thread award. Congratulations.


"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

ulbian
09-08-2009, 08:33 PM
One of two things happened here to have this long of a heated debate.

1) Ted Thompson did something to royally annoy someone.
2) There was another MAC tournament cancelled.

There could be a third possibility but I'm not bored enough at the moment to read through circular argument after circular argument with some name calling sprinkled in.

Northwind Mark
09-08-2009, 08:42 PM
:7


Or door #3, Steve and Jimmy are asleep at the wheel or out filming another episode.


The horse has been dead for some time and really starting to reek.

Gare
09-08-2009, 09:09 PM
Kill all the cows in the northern hemisphere to stop the global warming and kill all the penguins in the southern hemisphere to stop the global cooling, if you dont like either the heat or the cold live on the equator and jump back and forsth!!!!!!!!!!:7 x( :o }>

Canudude
09-09-2009, 12:25 AM
Well, I hate to waste my time with circular arguements because I type too slow, but I'm in Montana at the moment, its late at night and there are no muskies. I guess some people just don't get it and never will. People generally tend to see things they want to see them. But a couple of points:

One is that a couple of the posters that have ruled this thread generalize to the extreme. And this is precisely what I see the loudest voices that are opposing liberal ideas for progress doing. So all people who are liberals or even identify with some of their goals are lazy slobs, who don't want to work and just want leech to off the system?

Repete, you are simply hopeless and not worth my time really. How much health care do you think someone who makes 10 or 11 bucks an hour can afford? Much less someone who makes minimum wage? I have a college degree and have worked hard and been on my own since I was 18 - never benefited from any sort of handout or government assistance - and I am now 43 and have just finally landed a job that carries good health insurance. There are many people out there just like me. The truth is that we don't all start from the same place in life or have the same advantages or ability to prosper. There is a nation full of good, hardworking people out there - the majority - who will always live on the margin and struggle. No one wants to steal all your money, or kill the American Dream and the opportunity to succeed and prosper. People just want to be able to get by and live a good life. You need to have some compassion. And as far as global warming, do you really, honestly think that it is a total farce cooked up by just a handful of individuals with a political agenda, and the rest of us (the majority of scientists included) are so stupid, so out of touch and unable to think critically, that we are duped and go along with it? I hate to tell you, but the majority of scientists and the majority of the evidence still supports that we are negatively impacting the climate with our activity and pollution.

Hunter991, I appreciate that you disagree. And I appreciate that you respect my opinion and want to keep it civil. Thanks.

We are NOT headed towards communism or socialism. In fact, with the exception of some of the extremist tactics that are currently being employed by the rightist lunatic fringe, nothing could be more democratic then what's going on in politics right now. As I said before, it is unfortunate that these tactics are inhibiting real constructive dialog that would help us address some of these problems more effectively (and help ALL sides, including yours, to be heard).

You said "When you have a gov't that wants to own the financial system, health care system, auto makers, you have a socialist gov't. Please look it up."

"Look it up"? Where? I have looked it up. Plenty. Apparently we have different sources. The government does not want to "own" the financial system. We are simply responding to a financial mess and doing what is deemed necessary to fix the situation. Oversight and regulation are nothing new. And, if it doesn't work or its too much, the people will speak through their votes until our elected leaders listen and things will change again. Reform. I personally disagreed with much of the bailouts - am still angered by it - but I'm not crying fascism, and it hasn't clouded my ability to look at and judge each item on the "liberal agenda" individually. There's actually plenty I disagree with.

And government doesn't want to "own" the healthcare system. The system is broken and the government is trying fix it, actually, in response to what the majority of people want and have asked for (and don't believe the righty propaganda that says it isn't the majority) Read up on it. Drug and Insurance companies have the strongest lobby in Washington, and it is the political right that has pandered to their interest. There is plenty of good cause for reform and a public option. We'll get it right and we'll make it better. That's just progress.

I do have concerns about individuals rights, some of which seem to be shrinking as we move into the modern age. There's nothing that says I can't be vocal with my disagreements and nothing that says I can't vote. Don't worry, the American people are far too resiliant and far too tough to let our rights be taken away and trampled. There is no threat of communism or socialism. It will simply never happen. But, 2009 is not 1950. We need change.

Back to global warming: To be honest, it is difficult if not impossible to prove the direct effects of pollution on climate. Our systems are complex. But, we have certainly seen how our pollution and abuses have directly effected other areas of our environment, areas such as our oceans, which we once thought to be so vast (like our atmosphere) that we never conceived of any possible consequences. And, there are plenty of examples where giving some attention to these problems and changing our habits made a positive difference and reversed the effects of some of these abuses. It kind of boggles my mind that as outdoorsmen, we are not all on the same page with this. Throw the science right out. To me it is just common sense that so much pollution, multiplied by an increasing number of people, over an increasing amount of time is going to catch up with us and have serious consequences. It just makes sense.

That is all.

Phoenix
09-09-2009, 12:36 AM
Canudude.

Thanks.

Steve

hunter991
09-09-2009, 06:10 AM
canudude, you are only seeing the science you want to believe. There are just as many qualified scientists saying global warming is a myth. On your side you have Al Gore.. he is NOT a scientist. For every article/report that states GW is happening i can find one from someone just as qualified saying it doesn't. But you don't hear about them in the news because of the bias.

And if you think the gov't wants ony to fix the HC system you are wrong. The people of American DO NOT want what the liberals are offering. Polls out daily showing that. Town hall meetings, etc... yet they plan to pass it anyway. TEll me why? when did gov't decide it owns the people and that the people don't own the gov't?

And i would bet you money that at this time next year, GM is still owned by our gov't. This wasn't about bailouts, this was about UNION payback. Same with the banks. Franklin Raines, and Tim Geithner both worked at Fannie and Freddie.. Why do you think the gov't is backing them 100% right now? It's not only for necessity. And gov't run HC will ruin the private insurance carriers. You can't tell me or anyone else it won't. Whatever insurance you have now will be gone. There is NO WAY YOU Can explain that it won't go away. And why no tort reform? Which is what is really needed. Oh yah, the legal lobby supports the dem's. You need to step back and think about this stuff. Follow the money. Obama doesn't care about HC for all. he wants to control HC. Along with autos, banks and whatever else he can get his hands on. And don't even get me started on the stimulus package. Again, PAYBACK.

Why isn't obama talking about the high unemployment rate which is what is really killing this economy right now.. but nope, we need to spend another trillion on HC and not worry about people NOT having jobs. WTF? seriously dude, you need to step back and understand the real positions here. You are falling for the rhetoric and not understanding what is going on.

And global warming (the original topic)..tell me how cap and trade will solve this myth, i mean problem. please explain it. I am ready to prove to you it won't do a thing even if it was real.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-09-2009, 06:24 AM
>or this one.

:7 :7 :7 :7 :7 Thank You.

Ohhhh heck...looks like we do need to stop polluting. Poor Bear.


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REPETESPINNERMAN
09-09-2009, 06:42 AM
>canudude, you are only seeing the science you want to
>believe. There are just as many qualified scientists saying
>global warming is a myth. On your side you have Al Gore.. he
>is NOT a scientist. For every article/report that states GW
>is happening i can find one from someone just as qualified
>saying it doesn't. But you don't hear about them in the news
>because of the bias.
>
>And if you think the gov't wants ony to fix the HC system
>you are wrong. The people of American DO NOT want what the
>liberals are offering. Polls out daily showing that. Town
>hall meetings, etc... yet they plan to pass it anyway. TEll
>me why? when did gov't decide it owns the people and that
>the people don't own the gov't?
>
>And i would bet you money that at this time next year, GM is
>still owned by our gov't. This wasn't about bailouts, this
>was about UNION payback. Same with the banks. Franklin
>Raines, and Tim Geithner both worked at Fannie and Freddie..
>Why do you think the gov't is backing them 100% right now?
>It's not only for necessity. And gov't run HC will ruin the
>private insurance carriers. You can't tell me or anyone else
>it won't. Whatever insurance you have now will be gone.
>There is NO WAY YOU Can explain that it won't go away. And
>why no tort reform? Which is what is really needed. Oh yah,
>the legal lobby supports the dem's. You need to step back
>and think about this stuff. Follow the money. Obama doesn't
>care about HC for all. he wants to control HC. Along with
>autos, banks and whatever else he can get his hands on. And
>don't even get me started on the stimulus package. Again,
>PAYBACK.
>
>Why isn't obama talking about the high unemployment rate
>which is what is really killing this economy right now.. but
>nope, we need to spend another trillion on HC and not worry
>about people NOT having jobs. WTF? seriously dude, you need
>to step back and understand the real positions here. You are
>falling for the rhetoric and not understanding what is going
>on.
>
>And global warming (the original topic)..tell me how cap and
>trade will solve this myth, i mean problem. please explain
>it. I am ready to prove to you it won't do a thing even if
>it was real.

Yep..."Republicans are in bed with big buisness" but Democrats are paying for union companies to stay afloat all over the country!

"Republicans are in bed with big buisness" but the Bush admin gave MANY warnings about Fannie and Freddie but leading Democrats actually mocked the Bush admin and said there was no problem.

"Liberals are all about being kind to all human beings." Ummmm...ya...OK....look at the most admired liberals going back 50 years. Teddy Kennedy was really giving swimming leasons at Chapaquitic right?....and his brothers were only outdone by Bill Clinton when it came to a lack of morals.

Canadude....you "can't understand how humans can't be a major cause of global warming". ummmmmm....ok. I can't understand how people can eat bugs but some do. ? WTF?

Hey, rumor has it Osamabamma has our troops dropping "Make Love Not War" bumper stickers in the mountains of Pakistan. We'll see how that works. I'll be crossing my fingers.



Still silence on what caused the end of the last ice age huh goreistas?

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We'll never forget you Brent.

hunter991
09-09-2009, 08:20 AM
To clarify further, CONSERVATIVES are for free enterprise. If that means "big business' then so be it. It's better than the alternative. What is also means is more jobs, more profit, more prosperity. Liberals are for unions, sharing the wealth and regulating ones success. That is not America. being nice by spreading the wealth doesn't create prosperity. It's promote laziness and dependance.

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-09-2009, 09:31 AM
>To clarify further, CONSERVATIVES are for free enterprise.
>If that means "big business' then so be it. It's better than
>the alternative. What is also means is more jobs, more
>profit, more prosperity. Liberals are for unions, sharing
>the wealth and regulating ones success. That is not America.
>being nice by spreading the wealth doesn't create
>prosperity. It's promote laziness and dependance.

Wow...that was very well said my friend. Very well said. I mentioned this a while back. I wonder what type of world some of these liberals live in. Do they get all of their information on these things from Keith Olberleftwingnut or do they actually know a true cross section of America?

Of the very wealthy people I know almost every one is EXTREMLY giving with their time, money and talents. Almost every one is in fact a conservative. I would LOVE for some of these liberals to try to tell these people they don't pay enough in taxes and they need to do MORE to help the "less fortunate". I'm sure most of the "all loving" liberals out there just give ooodles and oooodles of their own time and money to charity right?!?! lmoa...ya...that's what I thought.

Like I said before, I litteraly hear stories every day from my wife and her social worker associates about how pathetic our system is that it let's parasites get away with what they do and the money we waste on them ...I'd love for some of these liberals to talk to a group of these people, that actually work with the "poor and down trodden" that us "evil conservatives" just trample on.

I'll say it a million times. From the very rich to the very poor and everyone in between...MOST (not all) but MOST are EXACTLY where they are because of their own doings. PERIOD.

I'd ask you liberals out there. Do you NOT agree with that? Because if you do agree, you are voting for the wrong party. If you are sooo cynical that you HONESTLY think most rich people are evil and most poor people are just taken advantage of...well...that's pretty sad but it speaks volumes.

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muskiemyke
11-16-2009, 07:47 AM
OK, someone's gotta put one in here:

muskiemyke
11-16-2009, 07:47 AM
or this one.