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muskiemyke
08-26-2009, 08:59 AM
Closing time might be fast approaching for children who long have been allowed to drink alcohol in Wisconsin's bars and restaurants.

Right now it's legal in the Badger State for kids to drink alcoholic beverages in such venues, as long as mom or dad, a guardian or spouse older than 21 is with them and approves, as does the bartender.

But State Sen. Judy Robson says the state's two-fisted drinking reputation has led to drunken driving deaths and affected children's health. So she and other lawmakers have offered bills that would make 18 the minimum age for drinking in a bar or restaurant while accompanied by a parent. The legal drinking age would remain 21.

The bills could be voted on in committee as early as next month, but there is no indication when they could come up for final passage.

"For years we've had this culture of drinking in Wisconsin," Robson said. "It's just a very confusing message to kids, that they're not allowed to drink, but in some cases they can."

Robson said her research showed that of the 14 states with similar drinking-age loopholes, Wisconsin's laws are the most lax.

In Illinois, those younger than 21 can't legally drink. Period.

Officials with Mothers Against Drunk Driving said the bill was a "step in the right direction" but won't do much to reduce underage drinking.

Said Frank Harris, the organization's state policy specialist: "To really reform the way Wisconsin handles drunk driving ... [the drinking age] should be 21, no exceptions."

Shep
08-26-2009, 10:16 AM
I can't remember the last time I saw a youngster drinking in a bar with a mom & dad. Probably since I was that 14 year old having one with pop. And that was a loooonnnnng time ago! Things have changed without needing to rewrite the law.

What a waste of time. Perhaps if these politicians would work on matters that really could make a difference, this state would actually attract some companies, instead of chasing them away!

muskiegrit1
08-26-2009, 10:31 AM
To give alcohol to a kid is wrong. The age should be 18 & not 21.
At 18 you can go off to war &may not come home standing up. This is what I believe. I support P.E.T.A. People Eating Tasty Animals :+

pointerpride102
08-26-2009, 11:12 AM
What a worthless waste of time. This has nothing to do with drunk driving as the children wont be driving home anyway. No amount of regulation is going to curb drunk driving. It is always going to happen. Take a look at Utah, we have the most ridiculous liquor laws out there and people still drink and drive. Why would you want to ruin Wisconsin culture?


"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

hunter991
08-26-2009, 11:38 AM
Such a waste of time and taxpayer money. this has never been a problem, has never caused a problem and yet we have elected officials pushing this as if it was the next crisis. With all the problems we have today they focus on this stuff? remember this come voting time.

another bill brought forth yesterday from a democrat in SE Wisc... its a bill to ban bartenders from drinking on the job. Again, never has been a problem. never will be a problem. but just more gov't intrusion into private business owners and more rules.

chuckski
08-26-2009, 11:43 AM
At almost 49 it was a long time ago I did not dare go into Pitlick's or Novak's without my ID, back then the drinking age in Wisconsin was 18 and at home of the time Califoria was 21.My cousin had a keg in his fridge and I could go over and have a beer any time I wanted before I was 18.

desertgrins esox
08-26-2009, 12:16 PM
funny thing is, I went on a bass tourney in mid may and all the dad's were at the local watering hole w/ the kids until 2 am. BUT, the kids were stealing us blind to play that Trophy Hunter and some racing video game. And they also learned how to play pool. the kids had a ball. dads had a ball. Also, in Irish culture, the pub was the place to go to socialize. In over 11 years of law enforcement, I have NEVER seen anyone in a tavern drinking w/ their kid. At 18, yes, there have been kids out w/ parents and over 21 year old spouses out w/ their 20 year old spouses, and have never had a problem. I have eard the "I was drinking w/ my parents tonite" and the parents were at home, which is where the kid should have been, but NEVER a 16 year old out drinking w/ his parents. I do believe most adult frown upon the under 18 drinking w/ their parents.

Someone needs to find something else to do.

Johnnie
08-26-2009, 12:48 PM
Right now it is legal, in WI, for a father to order a gin martini up for his 3 year son, at a bar. Is that right?? I think not. Just let the law pass. If you think it is alright for a 3 year old to be drinking a gin martini up with his dad, in a bar, you should......

muskiemyke
08-26-2009, 12:54 PM
>Right now it is legal, in WI, for a father to order a gin
>martini up for his 3 year son, at a bar. Is that right?? I
>think not. Just let the law pass. If you think it is
>alright for a 3 year old to be drinking a gin martini up
>with his dad, in a bar, you should......

...order him a Leinie to wash it down.

REPETESPINNERMAN
08-26-2009, 02:11 PM
>Right now it is legal, in WI, for a father to order a gin
>martini up for his 3 year son, at a bar. Is that right?? I
>think not. Just let the law pass. If you think it is
>alright for a 3 year old to be drinking a gin martini up
>with his dad, in a bar, you should......

...get him a pickeled egg to go with it?

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Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

pointerpride102
08-26-2009, 03:28 PM
What a dumb comment! Sure it is legal to order a 3 year old a gin martini, do you honestly think the kid would drink it? I remember getting a sip of beer from my old man when I was like 6 or something and thought it was the most ridiculous tasting stuff in the world. Honestly, what parent would order their 3 year old a martini? You sir are dumb.

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

Magoo79
08-26-2009, 05:29 PM
Growing up in Illinois I technically had to wait till I was 21 to drink. Drinking wasn't considered a huge deal, my mother is Irish, and the rule of the house was as long as I walk home and can make it to bed I'm fine, and if I am drunk call to let them know and spend the night somewhere. I was 13 years old, hanging out with the guys in the neighborhood. While everyone thought it was a huge thrill to go drinking, and they would binge drink at the opportunities they had. I would just drink socially, and never really got drunk. It wasn't a big thrill for me to drink because if I wanted I can have a beer at the house. When I turned 21 I had a few drinks, but didn't have the need to get drunk and sloppy. Drinking wasn't anything special. I hardly drink, only when with friends at the bar every couple weekends and normally I just nurse one or two double scotches and enjoy myself.
Parents letting kids drink while supervised isn't some huge epidemic that needs laws to stop it. If you go to Ireland people most people know how to handle their liquor. If you make drinking a big deal then the kids will think it's a big deal and they will abuse it, if they learn it's nothing special and no big thrill then they learn how to handle it and respect it.


Mike.

welldriller
08-26-2009, 09:29 PM
This bill is a stupid waste of time. Isn't there a war going on? Maybe we should be focused on that.

muskiegrit1
08-27-2009, 04:41 AM
Hey What are you all complaning about? Who put these people in office? You may have wanted change up there too. Look at the Whitehouse now we got a change. I support P.E.T.A. People eating tasty Animals :-(

coldfront
08-28-2009, 09:31 AM
I say there is nothing like a good puke fest with the dry heaves to teach a kid about drinking alcohol. Making a 18 year old wait until they are 21 is ridiculus.

RWSCHMITZ
08-28-2009, 10:29 AM
>What a worthless waste of time. This has nothing to do with
>drunk driving as the children wont be driving home anyway.
>No amount of regulation is going to curb drunk driving. It
>is always going to happen. Take a look at Utah, we have the
>most ridiculous liquor laws out there and people still drink
>and drive. Why would you want to ruin Wisconsin culture

WOW So you want to teach kids to drink at a very young age ???
What is wrong with you ?????? It should be 21 years old !!!!

iamchad
08-28-2009, 10:35 AM
If 18 is old enough to vote and 18 is old enough to die for this country shouldnt it be ok to drink a beer.

desertgrins esox
08-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Coldfront-

youre right on the head there. My friend ratted me out after he dared me to smoke a cigarette. My parents were called and I had to smoke 2 menthol cigarettes that night. Puked my guts out all night, and never had the urge to smoke, except for a couple of days in the army. Man I learned my lesson well there. Wished they woulda done that about drinking.

pointerpride102
08-28-2009, 12:44 PM
"WOW So you want to teach kids to drink at a very young age ???
What is wrong with you ?????? It should be 21 years old !!!!"

Please tell me how many people you know are going to take their 12 year old or younger kid out to a bar and get them hammered? The thought is ridiculous, even for the most red necked family. By 16 most kids are going to have tried booze anyway, why not teach them to be responsible about it? This is an absolute waste of time/money to put effort into passing. I'd imagine very very few people even know this is legal, especially anyone under the age of 18.


"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

MuskyMaven
08-28-2009, 01:18 PM
NM

Dinger
08-28-2009, 03:52 PM
what a load... how is this at all connected to drunk driving? i really dont get it. i believe the legal age should be 18.. the same time you are able to vote, get married, vote ect ect. asside from that the way to stop drunk driving is to hold these people accountable and make the penalty so harsh that no one would risk it! until we stop tolerating the 8th dwi and so on we will have people who do it. when someone gets behind the wheel drunk they put my kids in harms way.. not acceptable. how about 1st one (ok everyone can make a mistake) lose your DL for 1 year. anything after that, life in prison! think that is harsh? I dont. but then again i have seen alot of dead people caused by the poor decisions of others. just my 2 cents.

pointerpride102
08-28-2009, 06:20 PM
You nailed it Dinger. Penalties here in Utah for a first time offense is mandatory 30 days in jail and heavy heavy fines. I dont know how long the license is suspended. A friend of my mom's attending the U of UT got picked up on his first offense and already has over 7 grand in fines. Simply not worth it to me. Have I ever driven drunk? Yes and I'm not proud to admit it. I have been lucky and haven't killed anyone or gotten picked up. I now simply give up my keys if I am planning on tying one on. It is all about responsibility not more useless laws.

The people that say "oh you want your kid drinking at a young age?" are delusional. You likely didn't even know it was legal for that to happen until this story came out so save your high and mighty BS speech. This will solve nothing, it will be as useless as the law standing as is. Buying a 3 year old a martini? You have got to be kidding me, you're grasping at straws my friend.

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

ulbian
08-29-2009, 09:43 PM
A few points to make here.

1) The drinking age won't be lowered to 18. The main reason it is at 21 is that states that were below that age were threatened to have their funding for highway improvements cut off by the federal government. Bump that age back down and there goes a bunch of money from the federal government.

2) It is legal to buy a 3 year old kid a martini but what parent in their right mind would do that? That's not a legal issue, that's a parenting issue. No law change on this will stop that parent from being a bad parent.

3) Seeing this first hand by working in colleges there is a distinct difference between kids who have been exposed to alcohol in a positive setting than those who were not. The onus here falls on the parents. If the parents are using alcohol in a mature and respectful manner the kids will catch onto this awfully quick. Those kids who have never been exposed to alcohol and were kept under lock and key by mom and dad tend to come to college and have a higher probability of drinking themselves into oblivion. I know this. I've done AODA counseling of college kids. I've worked in judicial offices on college campuses. Doing background biographical sketches on these kids consistently show these trends. The kids who do ok with it when they get there more often than not are those who were able to see parents or other role models drinking responsibly. Those who did not simply had no respect for what effects it has on your system.

1bm
08-29-2009, 11:51 PM
HMM,

There are kids in bars drinking all over the state of Wisconsin while I am writing this post. I am unclear why some individuals do not think that this is a problem in Wisconsin. The earlier someone starts drinking the more likey they are to become a problem drinker ex- someone dependent on alcohol or who abuses alcohol.

Many problems arise when teenagers are aloud to drink with their parents in bars. Are their parents the responsible type or the alcoholic type who let their kids do what they want while they are snorting coke in the bathroom? I received many reports in my profession of-rape, molestation, exposure to other drugs while teens were at the bar or in the aftermath of drinking all night with responsible adults.

Teens are exposed to a lifestyle at an age when they may not have the tools to process the information that they are being exposed to. Maybe there are responsible parents who let their children drink in the bars in Wisconsin but the most that I have known and seen did not appear to be in that category.

After working in human services, juvenile probation and child protection for the past 12 years it is very clear to me that a bar is not for someone under the age of 18 or 21. I stand by my belief that teens and bars do not mix. Teens have a hard enough time wading through the pressure at school to drink and use drugs including prescription medications.

Parents need to teach teenagers that life can be lived in Wisconsin without a beer can attached at all times. People here think that their is something wrong with you if you do not drink. It will probably take many more generations but the message is getting through-

Maybe teens would benefit from responsible drinking as the last post mentions. I myself did not benefit I just liked to drink to excess.

k

oldschool
09-02-2009, 07:27 PM
In many European counties, one can drink beer & wine at 16 and drive at 18. So in reality they are drinking 2 years before that. My friends claim that the benefit is that they learn to drink before driving.

pointerpride102
09-02-2009, 07:35 PM
1bm,

My parents got divorced when I was around 8 or so. Every weekend I went to see my dad. Together we went to a bar to see my grandpa, his dad. I spend every saturday morning/afternoon and often times sunday watching the packer game at the bar. I like to think I turned out ok. The kids with the messed up parents have it a lot tougher no matter if they are in a bar or at home. Responsible parents breed responsible children. Irresponsible parents don't care about their kids and the kid are left to fend for themselves and make their own decisions, just a fact of life.

If I had a kid, I'd buy him a drink.

"Rodgers minus Favre, Just Packers Glory Baby!! ;)"

Mike

REPETESPINNERMAN
09-03-2009, 06:36 AM
The reason Wisconsin puts out so many good baseball players is because of our diligent 12 oz curl workouts. Strong forearms.

-------------------
I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. Believe me, I've questioned my decision. I believe it's the right decision. AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO OR SAY TO CHANGE THAT.

Brett Favre Retirement Press Conference #1 Transcript - March 6, 2008

We'll never forget you Brent.

Hunter4
09-03-2009, 06:43 AM
Pointer,

Please let it not come to that. I mean the part of you having a kid. You're one of kind and lets keep it that way.:+

buckeyemuskynewbee
03-31-2010, 08:34 PM
There are some people who can drink at 12 and act responsibly. There are some people who can drink at 50 and are totaly unresponsible. Age has nothing to do with it. If a parent lets their child drink it isn't a big deal to the child. Alot of binge drinking is a kid doing something they think their not suposed to do, that makes it more fun and exciteing. If they're allowed they lose interest.

Steve Petree
04-01-2010, 05:36 AM
What's age got to do w/it?

The age here in OH is 21 but the 16 year olds still throw their empties in my yard as they drive by on Friday night.

muskie_nut
04-01-2010, 07:35 AM
>>6 year olds still throw
>their empties in my yard as they drive by on Friday night.


That's just wrong. There should be a law against that.

Steve Jonesi
04-01-2010, 07:51 AM
As I step to the pulpit...... I bartended this past year in Northern Wisconsin and had never heard of such a stupid law. Had a few come in with young people and as the bartender, I had the "right" to refuse service, which of course I did. The state has a deep rooted culture of drinking, which isn't going to change anytime soon. Reading the Rhinelander paper was another eye opener. The police blotter would list these idiots with as many as 7 DWI's. What the HELL is that person doing out of prison?????????? Until recently, a DWI in Sconnie resulted in no more than a moving violation. WHAT!!!!!!! After the death of a young girl a year or so ago in a drunk driving accident, there was a big push to stiffen the drunk driving laws. There were reps who actually RESISTED the push. Why in God's Name would a "normal" person do this??? Another beauty.... cigarettes went up $2 per pack in the year I lived there.A proposed beer tax(hadn't been raised in 40 years!!) was promptly shot down. I could type for an hour, suffice to say that the culture won't change anytime soon.I worked 2 jobs and there were 7 people I either worked with or were associated with the businesses that got DWI's in the year. Absolutely amazing. I mean, you sit at the bar drinking all day and ya gotta get home somehow, ya know. Before my pending move to be closer to my kids, I prayed every day that I'd make it out of the state alive. Pretty sad.

Jolly Roger
04-01-2010, 08:56 AM
So.........what is it about Wisconsin that makes folks really want to drink ???

And why do they sort of..........emphasize/condone it ????

I blame Miller's promotional department.

happy hooker
04-01-2010, 09:05 AM
You cant troll in wisc but infants can drink?????

ddfenner
04-01-2010, 09:43 AM
Itses twases meses dearly departed Grandpa whoses introduced the likes of meses to the sport of Musky Fishing.

That SOB was a half blooded Chippewa Indian and when himses dragged the likes of meses alongses for the first timeses at a young ageses of 9ses, I experiencedses for the first timeses what it was likeses to man the oarses and row the likes of himses around Lower and Uppper Eau Claire lakes while himses yo-yoed that Hawg Wobbler on the surfaceses for endless hours on endses.

Afterwardses, it was a replentishmentses of himses soul to stop by the bar for a fewses and being in a total whole new worldses, I was a kid in an adultses worldses the likes of meses has never seenses beforeses.

Meses learned quickly thoughses, with the first learning experience being a backhand across the lips as meses mistakenly spoke out, sayingses "Grandpa caught a 4..." when a stranger to the likes of meses asked Grandpa if himses caught anything today.

Meses learned to sit in the corner on a stool, eventually facing the barses instead of the wall cornerses, and every once and a whileses, somebody to the backside of meses Grandpases, would add a dark liquid to meses Coke and ice.

After puking in Grandpas seats on the way homeses, I then sat with just a glass of ice and waterses and again, thatses same individual, under the backside view of Grandpases, when all meses water and ice was goneses, dropped in this yellow liquid, the kind that foamed a white froth on top and that ended up being what the likes of meses could stomach.

Himses bottle had the head of an Indian on the labelses.

Grandpases would not talksee to many at the barses, but for thoseses him didses, they seem to be asking himses alot of questioneses.

I was only fortunate enoughses to be introduced to one of themses thoughses.

Meses can remember that experiences like it twas yesterday.

Grandpa walked over with this man and saidses, "BabyDD, this is Louie Spray and you should never forget..."

Ises not themses memorys just preciousnesses?

;-)

Smile, Youses Are On MH TV!!!!

http://www.frontiernet.net/~ddfenner

Breal31
04-01-2010, 10:40 AM
>So.........what is it about Wisconsin that makes folks really
>want to drink ???
>

I would say making the women look a little more attractive

jonnysled
04-01-2010, 10:53 AM
Wisconsin is a horrible place ...

Steve Jonesi
04-01-2010, 11:25 AM
No, Wisconsin is a wonderful place with absolutely idiotic laws relating to alcohol consumption and drunk driving. Sorry Sled!

jonnysled
04-01-2010, 11:35 AM
it's a great place to raise kids and a terrible place to raise adults ...

repetespinnerman
04-01-2010, 12:16 PM
>it's a great place to raise kids and a terrible place to
>raise adults ...


:D I think that pretty much sums it up.

Jolly Roger
04-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Ya hey.

Phoenix
04-01-2010, 01:32 PM
ROTFLMFAO

Steve Heiting
04-01-2010, 01:42 PM
You could say our state legislators are under the influence of the Tavern League of Wisconsin, a very powerful lobbying group. The Tavern League seems to fight every law that would strengthen OWI laws, limit smoking in pubic establishments, etc.

As a person who has lost family members to a drunk driver, I'm really not finding anything of this amusing or enlightening, and I'm hearing from site visitors who are being offended by this thread, too, so I'm locking it down.

Steve Heiting

www.steveheiting.com